Wednesday, 05.07.08
Why Hillary Can't Win
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Obama Wins; How Does Clinton Lose
May 2008
Marc Ambinder surveys the Democratic primary landscape after (the most recent) Super Tuesday.
She Can't Let Go
May 2008
In a different, bygone era, Hillary Clinton's loss in North Carolina last night probably wouldn't have inspired the pundit class to pronounce her campaign finally and officially toast. After all, there's still no plausible way for Barack Obama to assemble the 2,025 delegates he needs to clinch the nomination without persuading at least a hundred or so of the famously uncommitted superdelegates to leap on board his bandwagon. And there's nothing in the Democratic Party's rules that promises the nomination to the candidate who's merely leading in the delegate count or the popular vote. If anything, it's the reverse: A system that requires the winner to marshal a supermajority of delegates rather than a mere majority, and that throws a slew of superdelegates into the mix, would seem to be designed to have close races decided at the convention, rather than by a whisker-thin majority in a voting system that, were it designed differently, might have Hillary in the lead instead.
Certainly, this is how things used to work. Nobody was surprised or appalled when Ronald Reagan tried to unseat Gerald Ford at the 1976 Republican Convention, or when various Democrats (led by none other than Jimmy Carter) mounted an unsuccessful "Stop McGovern" effort in Miami in 1972, even though both Ford and McGovern went into those conventions leading in delegates and votes. But it isn't how they work anymore. When you listen to analysts and politicians talk about the primary process, there's a clear consensus that the spectacle of a convention in which superdelegates "overturn what's happened in the elections," as Nancy Pelosi famously put it, would be disastrous for the Democratic Party. And Pelosi's choice of the word "overturn" tells you why: It implicitly makes the will of the people, however imperfectly and haphazardly expressed (an open primary here, a closed primary there, a caucus elsewhere), the arbiter of legitimacy, and consigns to the dustbin of history the old idea that the convention is an integral part of the candidate-selection process, and that party leaders should have as much of a say in who gets to be their standard-bearer as primary voters and caucusgoers.
So while the design of the system technically allows superdelegates to do what they think is best for the party (or for themselves and their constituents), the realities of life in a mass democracy make "overturning" even a narrow margin in votes and delegates well-nigh unthinkable. Which is why Hillary needed a chance at some sort of popular-vote lead (with Florida thrown in, if nothing else) to justify continuing her campaign. And it's why, after last night's results extinguished even that thin hope, her campaign is finally finished, whether she's ready to admit it or not.
UnstoppableJohn Heilemann says that the lack of a Democratic "deity" means only Hillary can decide when to stop. |
Vote Both?Democratic Leadership Council Chairman Harold Ford Jr. argues that the numbers support the necessity and strength of an Obama/Clinton Democratic Ticket. |
Her pickJonathan Alter says that Clinton's choice is either to go down ugly or to go down classy. |
DesperationRoger Simon says that for her to achieve a turnaround, she will need "momentum, spin, and fear." |
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As troglodytes like gtrevi are learning, the reason the Democrats must belated ly acknolwedge Obama's victory is that only a racist-inspired coup can deny him the nomination.
This isn't the first time I have seen patently racist and offensive commentary in the comment threads at the Current. You guys should really monitor it and take out comments like the one by gtrevi, 11:53 AM. That is beyond the pale. Gtrevi sounds like s/he is in the Klan.
"They would vote for Snoop Dog if he were running"!?!?!?!?!?
Excuse me gtrevi, how is "They would vote for Snoop Dog if he were running" not a racist characterization of African Americans. It is especially apropos as you write "This is antil-white racism" right after the snoop dogg comment (i believe "dogg" is the correct spelling).
People vote for all the wrong reasons a great deal of the time. There is a clear bias towards Hillary Clinton among the aged and women, which insinuates the elderly and women are engaging in racism and sexism, respectively, at least by your standards.
I think what you would be articulating, were you to have a brain in that empty shell you call a head, is that North Carolinians are not above voting on simple prejudices, like the person who is the same color as them. In that case, you would have made a very insightful comment (/sarcasm on; the whole nation displays trends of voting on simple prejudices, its no secret, except maybe if you fall in the category of people who are actively making judgments in the aforementioned simple minded ways).
That being said, there's both an argument here for (A) constituencies not having a knee-jerk reacting in favor of people who look, sound, and act like them (the day this is not the case is a long ways away) and (B) a bit of understanding on our part for the black and female communities because not voting for the first real viable candidate for president who is black/female is something i doubt 95% or more of the population cannot do.
For full disclosure, let me state that i am a 20 year old American born, university attending male of Indian descent whose parents are immigrants. This should hopefully give some context to my statements.
The outpouring of black support for Obama is the result of Bill Clinton's racially charged "Bubba" speeches, not some mythical anti-white racism. He went around North Carolina telling Confederate holdout populations that "people like you" supported Hillary. That in addition to his racially charged remarks in South Carolina. He's getting the legacy he deserves, as the Lil Abner of the Reagan Democrats. Obama should thank him for helping to sink Hillary's campaign.
Most Americans, black, white and brown, want to be one people and they are in the process of doing that, however some loathsome types may want to divide them for political gain. That used to be a Republican game, but to her shame, Hillary took that road also.
The Clintons brought the 90% black support for Obama on themselves, and no Democratic president in recent memory has ever won without strong black support. Likewise, not even Bill Clinton won a plurality of white voters, so Obama doesn't need to either.
Remember that with Hillary's built-in 10-15% lead among women on the basis of gender, and the fact that women make up 55% or so of Democrats, she actually receives stronger nominal support on the basis of identity politics than Obama. And that's without saying anything about the number of white voters who are voting against Obama because of race, which very well may negate the blacks voting for him because of race.
These results have gotta hurt for Sen. Bayh (IN) and Gov. Easley (NC). When you put youself out there, as they did in stumping hard for Hillary, you've got to deliver the votes. They didn't. Ouch.
Its sad. I think that the democrats will end up nominating Obama who will be snack food for the republicans in the general election. Hillary is still the only hope democrats have at beating McCain.
Sorry carlin. You're wrong. And instead of writing a whole bit on why, let me just cite Newt Gingrich:
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=26376
So who should we believe, anonymous carlin or Newt Gingrich?
Obama’s win in NC proves beyond any doubt that he is a racially-based candidate. He can’t win the general election with just the blacks and the young. It would be another ‘Tsongas’ election! Clinton’s win in Indiana, by a slim margin, also raises the big question why Obama lost a state that he is supposed to win! Her win is indeed a tie breaker! The media continues to be anti-Clinton. Her win should be presented in the proper context of the quality of each of these candidates’s electability!
It really goes to show you who is racist in this country, blacks are voting 90% for Obama while whites are voting only 60% for Clinton. Its amazing that the Dems put forth the two candidates who have the least qualifications for Presidency. One is here solely on her last name and another solely on his skin color. Goes to show you that the Dems are all image and no substance.
I just wanted to post to applaud Viktor's well-articulated and reasoned posts. Thank you for your words :)
You know, it may well be racial. Those 65+ white rural folk won't vote for a black man if their life depended on it. What generation are they from anyway? oh wait, they ARE racist. The Clintons had their shot with the black demographic, and they squandered it. Remember, it was the black demographic that got them into office in the first place... by what, 90%? And even in Indiana, Obama nailed 47% of the white vote under under the age of 50. So tell me, is Obama a racially divided candidate? One more point. 8% of Clinton voters in Indiana are self-described conservative republicans. (do i smell rush limbaugh?) That means 60,000 Clinton votes came from WHITE people who will never vote democratic in a general election and are trying to sabotage Obama's candidacy. So who's got the problem here?
Interesting to note that it was the black demographic that got Clinton into office in the 90s. He even opened his office in Harlem and proclaimed himself "the first black President". And now those same people are voting 90% against his wife...I wonder why...the answer lies in the first post "They would vote for Snoop Dog if he were running"...its useless and naive to pretend that this isnt true. It is and that's fine, people can vote for whomever they want, lets all just be clear of the reason.
Hillary it seems, is addicted to the rush of the cheering crowds, which is not the main purpose of this campaign. Bill has always loved it and now they both get a daily buzz from standing in front of a crowd and waving and charging up everyone. It's over. Someone has to stop this because I don't think Hillary is going to check into rehab over this.
McCain2008,
You seem to have forgotten the "substance" (or lack thereof) in the presidency for the past 8 years. If the Republicans were above the hype of image, Bush would never have gotten the nomination in 2000.
I think it's a shame that we are in the 21st century, with an African American, a white female, and an ex-POW all running for President and we still can't get away from racist remarks. As Obama said, we are all people under a different color of skin...we all eat the same foods and release the same waste the same way....What's wrong with America!!!!????
gtrevi and McCain 08 are examples of the worst parts of the republican party: racism, no loyalty to truth, and an enmity for those not like them. Luckily, the majority don't follow this drum, and many republicans I know (including my dad) are voting on conscience and character this year and not out of fear and clinging to power.
They wouldn't vote for Hillary - she constantly diminishes the goodwill of all people, including democrats - but Obama gives them reason to cross over and feel good about their vote, because although not perfect, at least he listens to the other side, instead of trying to shut them down.
I disagree with the comments by Gretvi, but do not think they should be removed because this should be an open debate. While unfortunately some people make their choice based on the candidate's skin color (this works both ways), the real reason to vote for Obama is that he is an outstanding candidate.
Obama has the potential to inspire America to be a better nation, which will in turn inspire the world.
Racism is when a group votes solely on skin color and that is what has happened here. If someone points out that fact (it is a fact dont forget) labeling them racist is just a knee jerk reaction when truth is too inconvinient. You keep bringing up Bush, but Bush is not running this year so its will be tough for you to win on Bush hate only. Another proof that the Dems have no ideas and no plans other than to cowardly retreat from Iraq and to open borders to anyone willing to cross it so they can pop out 7 babies and get on welfare is the fact that the Dem led Congress has failed to accomplish ANYTHING AT ALL since 2006. We can all remember their grandiose promises however, dont think the voters have not noticed.
The best thing about this primary season has been the realization that we don't have to listen to right-wing blowhards like McCain 2008 and gtrevi anymore. They don't get to participate in the new movement for cross-racial, cross-class unity that Obama represents. It's no wonder they are terrified...
Bill Clinton enjoyed 85% of the black vote, so Obama's 90% shows only a 5% advantage due to race.
Also, only a third of North Carolina voters were black.
You can label me a "right wing blowhard" but as soon as your Obamajuana haze wears off ask yourself why your supposed "cross racial uniter" chose to sit 20 years in a church that preaches hate? that's right he did not hear anything like that in 20 years. lets hope he listens better on national security briefings. or is bringing that up also racist?
if Bill Clinton enjoyed 85% of the black vote, why did they all of a sudden switch to Obama? its cant be his record because he does not have any...hmmm...
Why are all the simpletons coming out of the woodworks?
I always thought the Atlantic had an enlightened following, given its history and accomplishments. If you want to stitch together key words and phrases from the hollowed out, illogical language that is this country's current political discourse, I'm sure Ann Coulter has a blog, or just go to Talk Left to shout into the sympathetic megaphone that peddles your mindless drivel.
But why come here?
I am truly sorry Hillary lost NC; I thought we could pull it out, but IN was a good victory. It makes me sad how divided our party has become. We need ever portion of the party in order for Democrats to win in Novemner. I think the world of Hillary but I also think Sen. Obama will make a great president as well. His beautiful family is an inspiration to families all over this country; I enjoy seeing them as much as I do Bill, Hillary, and lovely Chelsea. I cannot imagine supporting John McCain for any reason- he is a war hero but he represents everything that is wrong with this country. I will never support any candidate that acts as he does toward women; I know he is a Navy man and some sailors are salty ( I have one here at home) but they do know how to treat women in the proper way and calling names is a horrible thing to do. I am always reminded of how he just laughed when one of his supporters called Hillary the "B" word; what a crassand low thing to do. McCain is who I will fight in the fall. I support Hillary in everything she wants to do but if she decides that it is time to end her campaign, I will do by duty and sopprt the other deomcrat in the race. Too much is at stake to sit on the sideline. McCain will overturn Roe v. Wade in our lifetime with the conservative judges he appoints to the Surpreme Court and women's reproductive rights will be ended. If our democratic nominee loses to McCain in the general election, then it will be practically impossible to vote him out of office just look at what happened with Bush. Hillary I know you are a fighter and I expect you to fight to the end because the country is too important for you not to. I will follow your lead on how to proceed!
I have not read any inteligent responses to any of my posts. All I read is labels and chants for me to go away...that approach to criticism will not work in general election. Once American hero McCain stands next to B. Hussein "God Damn America" Obama, Dems might as well forget about White House for another 8 years. And nobody is "terrified", in fact I am elated that you are putting forth this ludicricity of a candidate...landslide in Nov is guaranteed.
Y'know, the Democrats only attract weirdos like blacks, Latinos, Jews, women, young people, and the elderly. Real Americans, that is, middle-aged Christian white men, are solid Republicans.
Good one Mike...dont forget their latest constituency...hordes of illegal wagrants of state.
From the perspective of a Canadian who doesn't really care how this nomination turns out, McCain2008 and gtrevi are obviously correct in their assessment. If the fact that 90% of black voters are voting for Obama doesn't imply anti-white racism, it at least implies pro-black racism.
Tom this is obvious to anyone with IQ over 80 (possibly explaining why most posters here do not get it)
Why does everyone think that Obama cant beat Mccain? I think he will overwhelming beat John.
He now to needs to go the states, like NY etc, etc, and campaign and he will win by a huge margin.
Of course this a a racial race, but with obama it is not about race it is about character , honesty and intelligence and he has it all.
chichi2, Was your post some kind of joke? Do you not see the contradiction in your declaration? Obama will unite everybody - except the right wing blowhards; they aren't invited to participate.
Obama wins because he really represents "Change". Because he's a smart Politician (note the capital P) and not a vivious one. And it's really time for a change after 20 years in the hands of the Bush and the Clinton Families. Are we living in some kind of Kingdom were father & son or husband and wife can give to each other the power like Kings, Queens and Prince did in the past ? I think the issue is the type of Democraty that we want to live in. When the power stays in the same hands for a quarter of a century, is that still a democraty ? I am White, I happen to think I am smart and I'll vote Obama. More certainly, I know I am not the only one.
Obama represents "Change" we all know that, but unfortunately for him nobody knows what "Change" represents or actually means. Its just a repackaged version of "At least I am not Bush" platform that served Jean Kerry so well in 2004. Like I said...landslide in November.
Hello,
How will Obama unite everybody? He hasnt proven to half the democratic voters that he is even the one who should win. Until he has a platform or any real reason why we should vote for him, he is just fluff.
Even as a lifelong Democrat, I dont see any reason to vote for him in the fall if he is the nominee. I have never voted Republican, but Obama gives me no reason to vote Democrat.
You are right. This is a racial race, it cant not be. We have to face reality, that the United States even in the 21st Century is not ready for a black president. Why doesnt anyone admit this? Are we too stuck in a PC world that we can not state the obvious?
Obama is splitting the Democratic Party, way more than Hillary is. He is running like race does not matter, when it really does. In his world, it doesnt. He has everything, all the advantages, when the reality is that most blacks and other minorities, including mine, native americans, dont have any advantages and have no connection to him other than race.
As noted above voting because of the race works both ways as Hillary and her campaign leaders were fully aware when they capitalized on the racist feelings of the uneducated, under $50,000, white Pennyslvania and Indiana voters in their elitist ("uppity - "impudent") and his black church associations!
Looking at things in the USA from afar, it seems that this Clinton has from the start of her campaign had one obvious and insurmountable obstacle to being worth the Democrat Party's nomination for President. She remains married to the surviving former President whose personal life and narcissism has disgusted many Americans, and who it is impossible to imagine would play the passive role in a President Hillary's term in office that Dennis Thatcher played in Prime Minister (now Dame) Margaret's years in charge of the UK.
Enough already--you beat a dead horse. Of course Clinton cannot win. She is out of money, out of time, and out of states. It's a waste of space to keep restating to obvious.
Second, it is now obvious that America wants to believe in somthing so badly that there is almost nothing that can befall Obama that he cannot brush off. If his 20 year association with the racist preacher who will not go quietly into the good night did not finish Obama, nothing will.
Even (most) die-hard Clinton supporters (such as the undersigned) acknowledge that it is time for Hillary Clinton to decide precisely when and under what negotiated terms (if any) that she will gracefully withdraw from the race.
The super-delegates should have enough grace to refrain from public pressure in this regard, and allow Clinton to withdraw with dignity.
Wonkette captured the feeling with this headline: “Obama's Joyless Math Beats Hillary's Magical Maps”.
As to McGovern jumping into the fray this morning, Wonkette also nailed it with: “Famous 1972 Democrat Loser George McGovern Throws Hillary Under The Bus.”
The (publicly) uncommitted super-delegates do themselves no favors with us 50% of the Democratic electorate who supported HRC by kicking Hillary when she is down now. And it’s too late for those who have not previously endorsed Obama to suck up now anyway.
Be gracious. Seat Florida and Michigan (it will not make any difference anyway). Let Clinton withdraw on her own terms.
In addition, I would seriously think about offering HRC the veep spot—unless the DNC wants 30% to 40% of Hillary’s supporters to vote for McCain (the undersigned included).
Putting all y'all's racist comments aside, Mr. Obama is all hat and no cattle.
Ross, after her big upcoming wins in WV, KY and PR, Clinton will lead in the popular vote. Especially with FL counted. With MI counted, she'd have an even bigger popular vote lead.
She'll net close to 500K out of Puerto Rico. She'll net another 200K out of WV/KY.
No white Democratic presidential candidate can win without the black vote. Blacks vote overwhelmingly for Democratic candidates such as John Kerry in 2004 and Al Gore in 2000. In like the 90 percentile, no Republican has ever gotten more than 10 percent of the black vote. Al Sharpton ran in 2004 and he did not receive a majority votes black votes even in the South so I fail to see how black voters are racist just because they like Obama. None of you people thought twice when blacks were voting overwhelmingly for a white candidate. So whatever.
Sorry, but the comment about Snoop Dog was right on the money! In the begining of this fiasco black voters were polled and asked who they would vote for. Most said Obama and when asked why, they said "Because he's black." Not 'I like his ideas, or he has a good policy but he's black.' So here we will be with unemployment at it's highest in 40 years, people losing their homes at an alarming rate, the country is stuck in an illeagal war, (Iraq) we are in debt to our necks and we will probably be stuck with a president that has practiacaly no experience! In case you are wondering, I'm not a member of any white power group, nor am I a racist. I don't believe Obama can beat McBush and so there is a good chance he will be president! (God help us) To all of you first time voters, you don't vote for someone because they look cool, or their skin color. You vote for them because you like their ideas and believe they would be best for the country! If you listen to the media, you will begin to believe Obama is the second comming! Too bad Joe Biden didn't make it, he would be the perfect choice for a president. Oh I forgot, he's a white guy.
If you say the blacks are racists, what are you saying about the old whites that giving Hillary just enough reason to continue her fight to destroy the Democratic party?
hey tigerlover. congratulations on pushing outright lies. most people like to dance around the truth, but not you. You just make it up as you go along.
In case you're wondering what i mean, its the simple fact that Obama had a HARD time courting black people when his campaign began. It wasn't exactly a secret either.
"The black-on-black argument seemed to be bolstered by recent polls showing Obama significantly trailing Hillary Clinton among black voters. But reading into poll numbers that way is a clever device, hatched by mainstream (primarily white) journalists who are shocked — shocked! — to discover that black people aren't as dumbstruck by Obama as they are."
-Time Magazine Feb 1st, 2005
Tigerlover, You are an idiot (oops, there goes civility out the window).
sorry. in my last post, i meant Feb 1st, 2007
AL Gore didn't win the White House.
John Kerry didn't win the White House.
Dukakis didn't win the White House.
Mcgovern didn't win the White House.
Bill Clinton had the only successful democratic presidency in the last forty years.
I wouldn't equate Bill Clinton's obvious political talents with his wife's ability to govern, but I found the hatred unleashed by Obama supporters toward him disingenious and pathetic. It seems the Democratic Party had decided to cannibalize its elders.
On the other hand Senator Clinton's less then organized campaign didn't earn her kudos (or delegates), her hyperbolae with respect to her war experience was insincere in the funniest of ways, and her gas tax proposal legless and pandering.
I also found Senator Obama's comments with respect to using taxation as a "leveling field" unsettling and his speeches' careful ennumerations of the many ills that besiege us incredibly boring.
I quite don't care who wins the Democratic nomination at this point. Senator Clinton seems to have stepped from a Coen Brothers production while Senator Obama has become some sort of young Don Corleone whose ring has seen the kisser of everyone who's anyone in the Democratic Party or the MSM.
He of the thin resume and objectionable circles seems to have finally snagged the prize.
But I doubt he'll be able to win the Presidency. I doubt he'll win the presidency though. Al Gore didn't win, John Kerry didn't win, Dukakis didn't win, and Mcgovern didn't win. None of them were growth democrats, none of them seemed solid enough to anchor this country of ours. I've voted for Gore and Kerry, but I'm tired of the Democratic miscalculations with respect to their nominees.
I wish Senator Obama good luck. I won't enjoy the show one bit once it'll turn ugly.
Does anyone find it interesting that the only candidate that has not played the racism, agism or sexism card in this contest is John McCain. I know many of you will not vote for him, but he is a honorable guy. I am starting to see why he is polling %15 ahead of his party.
The Week After 9/11�
Let�s take a trip back in time. Just for kicks�
Okay, it is a week after 9/11 and a poll has been conducted from a random selection of thousands of Americans from all walks of life, all races, both genders, and from all over the great United States of America.
The question is simple, yes or no:
Would you choose a Republican or Democratic nominee for President of the United States of America who had strong, long-standing associations with a terrorist, plus a racist hate-spewing anti-American minister-spiritual counselor, and a slime-ball crook currently being indicted?
The pollsters will not even mention some other creepy characters in the nominee�s past or the fact that his or her spouse claimed difficulty feeling proud of being an American.
As imperfect, but beautiful as America is�billions of people around the world would feel blessed and proud to have all we American�s have.
The pollsters will not inflict guilt by reminding people of the ultimate sacrifice of death our ancestors gifted us with so we could freely decide the future path of our great nation. No, the pollsters will not try to make people feel guilty for those rolling in their graves when we are less careful, less wise, or less appreciative than we could be. Will we let past sacrifices, either willingly given or wrenched away, be in vain?
Americans: How far have we traveled since the last open wounds? Can we go back in time to the week after 9/11 and frame our decisions for our country by the unity we felt as a proud nation, in opposition of terrorists, and against wrong-doing?
�God Bless America, Always!
Viktor, what lies is Tiger pushing exactly? The fact that Obama got the black vote because of his color...if you think that's a lie then it is you who is the idiot (or a naive child). The whole democratic primary is a joke, they put forward two people neither of whom has ANY ACCOMPLISHMENTS TO SPEAK OF. That's just amazing to me, Joe Biden was a decent candidate and so was Edwards, but who do you pick? Billary and B.Hussein Obama...what a joke...
McCain 2008 --- You want logic, here's logic. A racist is someone who would never vote for someone of another race. African Americans have voted for Caucasian candidates many times in the past. Therefore they cannot be racist by definition.
I am not saying anyone is racist, people can vote for whomever they want for whatever reason makes sense to them, but when you see such a sudden switch in support from Clinton to Obama it makes you wonder (well not really) as to what that reason was...and that reason is race. African Americans have voted for Cauca... (can we say white or is that racist too?) candidates that's true, but only because there were never any black candidates. As soon as one came around they all flocked to him...probably for his spectacular and incredibly detailed "Change" plan (note the sarcasm).
And your definition of a racist is just that...YOUR definition.
A well put piece from Daily Kos:
Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:16:00 PM PDT
Boy, I keep hearing from all over the place that if it wasn't for those meddlin' blacks, Clinton would've won big yesterday!
Yes, it's true. African Americans were a big component of his winning margin in NC and paper-thin loss in Indiana. But who else was a big component? Let's look at some other demographics Obama got, with the percent
% of vote % for Obama
IN: People with college degrees 35 56 NC: People with college degrees 44 57
IN: First time primary voters 19 69
NC: First time primary voters 22 60
IN: Independents 23 54 NC: Independents 19 45*
IN: Liberals 39 56 NC: Liberals 42 63
IN: Urban 33 60 NC: Urban 27 66
IN: White 17-29 year-olds 12 54 NC: White 17-29 year-olds 8 57
IN: All 17-29 year-olds 17 61 NC: All 17-29 year-olds 14 74
IN: 17-64 year-olds 86 52 NC: 17-64 year-olds 80 60
The 17-64 number is particularly stark, but there are a ton of demographics that have voted heavily for Obama. Anyone under 64, first-time voters, young voters, urban voters, educated voters, etc. What about rich elites? Actually, Clinton won those in Indiana (52% of those making over $100K, which in Indiana, is a lot).
I should go around talking about Clinton's "non-senior problem". It would make far more sense, given that they're about 80 percent+ of the electorate, than bizarrely fixating on race as though it's the only factor at play.
(*) North Carolina is only the fourth state in which Clinton has won the independent vote.
James Vickers: I like Obama, if I could cast a ballot in the US election, I would vote for him. But I don't think you should be talking about how BHO will 'inspire the world'; instead, I think you should view his election as a surety on America's future good behaviour. Indeed, by electing BHO those in other nations might begin to forgive America for the past 8 years, they will see that you, as a nation, are taking a first, tentative step in the right direction. I don't want to be inspired by you. I want you to treat me with respect, or be left alone.
Again McCain 2008, Nobody really cares what you think. If you don't get where Obama is coming from its because you aren't listening. And that's why the political movement you and your comments represent are finished in this country. We don't need your divisiveness anymore. It's not going to do anything to help us solve the real problems this country faces, problems the same old politics of name calling and race-baiting and all that other balderdash only compound. We are tired of being distracted by the ad hominem fear-mongering and mindless media squabbles over minutiae you and your breed thrive on.
Oh and one more thing. Go ahead and bring up Jeremiah Wright. But who do you think has more dubious connections here, huh? Charles Keating anyone? Just wait until the fall...
Chichi2, its clear to me that you do not have an original thought in your head and much like your idol are reading of off telempromter (Obama website in your case). You need to exhale first, put down the Obama campaign talking points down. and then answer the following question
Why did your great uniter spend 20 years listening to the most hate filled and divisive propaganda I've ever heard? You cant and wont answer this, but your boy will have to if he hopes to have any chance in November.
Keep drinking the Kool Aid...
When you have a bloc of voters who would vote for a piece of cheese so long as it was Black and they thought it could get elected, it's hard to avoid the conclusion that their votes are racially motivated.
We don't convince anyone in these comment sections; but it is refreshing to have some place we can speak freely without being afraid of being beaten up or shot for it.
Contrary to the opinion of the hard left, this election will aggravate race relations in this country. It already has. And when Obama is defeated in November, things will get worse, because his defeat will be accredited to racism. Remember: all it takes is an accusation of racism to make it accepted fact. Once accused, White people are guilty until proven innocent.
This country is turning into a real hellhole.
Oh and one more thing...if you will treat everyone that disagrees with you with a statement "You just are not listening" then you will have a very hard time "uniting" people. remember not everyone drinks your Kool Aid.
Mike I agree with you on this, we may not all agree but to have a forum like this is very useful. I also completely agree with your statement about race relations, once Obama is defeated in November we'll see outcries of racism.
McCain 2008, Like I said, Obama's message really isn't directed at people like you. So nobody really cares if you join the party or not.
Really...I thought you're planning to unite "everyone" so now that's not the case. So his message is only directed at people that agree with it? that's some uniter...lol. guess what there are a lot of us and we vote. you childish remarks led me to believe that you're simply cutting and pasting from some article on his website and like I mentioned before you have no thoughts of your own and are unable to carry an argument nor defend your point of view. No wonder you're an Obama backer, easily impressed by the fluff, agreeable and not very bright.
Everyone keeps talking about the elderly or "the old racist whites" and the "under $50,000 crowd" and the "women" blindly voting for Hillary, because she is a white woman. Those comments are absurdly racist and classist, typical of the rabid left. You can tout an education unless it teaches you humanity, something you're so desperate to prove by rallying around this minority candidate with no experience or judgment to speak of. His claim to fame is not being a US senator when everyone else voted to go to war. His health plan sucks. He threatened to invade Pakistan. There's nothing to suggest he could manage a federal bureaucracy. He is not bipartisan but left-leaning, and he's apparently weak enough that he would be too easily manipulated by the bottom feeders pushing his campaign forward. The old-timers have seen many of these elections. The poor and middle class need a break after 8 years of Bush. Fine if blacks are proud of a candidate with a real chance, but they make up 12% of the population. The general is a different thing from the primary, and voters considering Obama's odds in the next round are hardly racist just because they evaluate his platform and find it lacking. It is time to lay off the kool aid, everyone yelling racist here.
Obama cannot win the election without Reagan Democrats, who will now defect e-masse to McCain. Blacks live in the south, and the south has Republican in every general election since 1964. Without Ohio and Florida, Obama is toast.
A good fight at the convention is exactly what is needed. Democrats have been doing very poorly in recent years picking a nominee who can win the general election. Superdelegates were created for a situation just like this. Hurrah, superdelegates! Remember, you can keep changing your mind up until the convention -- and may the best woman win.
Hillary and Bill Clinton have never stood before me, as I would never go to one of their rallies.
They have always only stood before screaming, adoring crowds, kind of like Charlie Manson or Jim Jones followers.
If in front of me, I would ask/scream out to them:
Why did you rape Juanita Broaderick?
Why didn't you respond to the terrorist threats during your presidency instead of chasing strange pussy in the White House.
Why do both of you lie with such ease?
What could possibly make you think this election should be given to you outright?
SORRY FOR THE CAPS!!! .... BUT I WANT EVERYONE TO READ THIS!!!!
FIRSTLY, MANY SAY THE BLACKS ARE RACIST BECAUSE THEY ARE VOTING FOR OBAMA IN DROVES ... BUT WAIT ... ANSWER ME THIS, THEY HAVE BEEN MANY BLACK DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES IN THE PAST (Jesse Jackson etc), HOW COME THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE THE SAME % OF VOTES AS OBAMA ..... I"LL TELL YOU WHY .... BLACKS DIDN'T SEE THOSE BLACK DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES IN THE PAST AS ELECTABLE ... PLUS HILARY WAS RECEIVING LOST OF BLACK SUPPORT IN THE START OF THE RACE ... BUT WHEN BLACKS SAW THAT BARACK WAS WINNING >> THEY BECAME CONVINCED HE WAS ELECTABLE
SECONDLY MANY SAY BARACK CANNOT WIN WITH BLACK VOTERS ALONE >>> SO MANY OF YOU ALL ARE INSINUATING HE ONLY GETS THE BLACKS VOTES TO WIN >> RIDICULOUS >> THE REASON HE IS WINNING IS BECUZ HE GETS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF VOTES FROM ALL DEMOGRAPHICS ..
THOSE DEMOCRATS THAT VOW TO VOTE FOR MC CAIN AND NOT OBAMA ... I'M SURE ARE THE SAME ONE WHO VOTED FOR BUSH 2x
LETS ALL UNITE & STOP THIS BITTERNESS ....!!!!
SORRY FOR THE CAPS!!! .... BUT I WANT EVERYONE TO READ THIS!!!!
THOSE DEMOCRATS WHO SAY OBAMA CANNOT BEAT MC CAIN ARE THE SAME ONES WHO WILL VOTE FOR MC CAIN COME NOV >> I'M 100% OF THIS >>>> AM I RIGHT????
IF HILARY ALONGSIDE PRES. CLINTON CANNOT DEFEAT OBAMA (AN EXPERIENCED CANDIDATE AS MANY OF U SAY) EXPLAIN HOW SHE CAN BEAT MC CAIN
MANY OF YOU ARE NOW SAYING HE IS RACIST AND WE HAVE LITTLE KNOWLEDGE OF HIM
SHAMELESS PEOPLE .. SHAKES HEAD
LETS ALL UNITE & STOP THIS BITTERNESS ....!!!!
McCain 2008...you do offer interesting commentary and of course I have to admit that you are correct in your definition of racism and its representation...it is an accurate way to describe racist tendencies. However your statement that there have been no intelligent responses to any of your comments is quite comical when you choose to use a phrase like "Obamajuana"...it just means you are going down to a level you clearly claim belongs to anyone who chooses to disagree with you...and wow, are you deluded. Utilizing the Wright refrences are also quite inane at this point as well. You are simply utilizing simplistic tools to hammer inconsequential thoughts across this forum. I am Scandinavian, extremely white, and have no white guilt because I was not born in this country and can't claim its history as my own. I can speak though for those across the oceans who are looking directly at these elections to see if this country can once again be a part of the world instead of continuing to push its current policies of isolation and your statements confirm that those policies are deeply engrained within you. It is not just about what happens in this country, we now have to find a way back to respectability within the world as a whole instead of constantly saying "who cares" to everyone around us. My father fought for this country and prided himself on being an American citizen and was a proud Republican up until his death. I myself will forever regard Ronald Reagan as one of the, if not greatest Presidents in the history of this country...but this would not have been Reagan's vision or legacy. So now...it is time to evolve and not regress. It is time to stop pointing fingers and blame the results on demographics. You also seem to forget that he scores highest with the better educated, more affluent and yes...the youth. Our future will not be forged with the past, but with the present and future and it is time for the intelligent to be allowed a shot at fixing and reviving this vessel. It is time...for Obama.
the race is not over yet. I do want a white hater in the office.
gtrevi you have a very low regard for black people don't you. Your comment was racist and so are you. OBama is for all of America including someone like you.
It's touching that Mike and McCain 2008 have found each other. They can now have numerous edifying conversations, knowing that the other person will listen and understand completely. Another instance of the internet bringing people together who otherwise might have a hard time finding each other.
"Why did your great uniter spend 20 years listening to the most hate filled and divisive propaganda I've ever heard?" : McCain 2008
Guess you never saw "Triumph of the Will," huh? I guess as a republican you already know the plot...
Hillary's slimey campaign wasn't able to derail the Obama campaign. I am so happy !!! This whole thing will be over VERY SOON. We will very soon witness the end of the sleazy, slimey, lying, cheating, CRIMINAL Clintons !!! YIPEE !!
Let me see: Obama-drug addict in college Obama-turns back to THE flag of the USA Obama-REFUSES to say the pledge of allegance Obama-belonged to all black extreme militant church that "Damns America" for 20 that is TWENTY years folks. Equivalent to black KKK group!! Obama-Strong alliance with Kenya and stayes in constant contact with a militant Muslin cousin named Raila Odinga living there. He also donated 1 million dollars to their militant cause. Obama- REAL name Barak Hussein Muhammed Obama. Obama-Real father extreme Muslim, stepfather militant Muslim brought up in Indonesia (THE most terrorist Muslim country)!! Obama-FOR PRESIDENT OF THE USA, IS EVERYONE IN THIS COUNTRY COMPLETELY INSANE? 9/11 WOULD BE A PICNIC COMPARED TO WHAT THIS JERK WOULD DO TO THIS COUNTRY!! Obama-Biggest lier you have ever heard on tv. nOTHING HE SPITS OUT HAS BEEN PROVEN!! Obama- His racist wife will not let him wear a usa flag on his lapel... IF THIS TERRORIST ANTI-CHRIST BECOMES PRESIDENT, YOU MIGHT AS WELL BEND OVER AND KISS THIS COUNTRY GOODBYE FOLKS. THIS WILL BE A 3RD WORLD COUNTRY WITHIN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS. MAYBE THE FBI SHOULD CHECK UP ON THE GOING ON IN KENYA WITH THIS OBAMA CHARACTER. HE IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS!!! lIKE bIN lADEN SAID, KILL THEM FROM THE INSIDE OUT. IF THIS GUY WAS WHITE, HE WOULD NOT EVEN BE ON THE BALLOT AND MOST LIKELY BOOED OF STAGE!!! IF COLIN POWELL WAS RUNNING, HE WOULD HAVE MY VOTE IN A NANO SECOND. BUT THIS GUY OBAMA IS VERY DANGEROUS!!!
here's the deal, libs. Have your little black man inclusion party. HE HAS NO CHANCE. he will be mondaled, and clinton will pull the strings.
McCain will win 40 states. Deal with it.
ELIMINATE OBAMA AS A VIABLE CANDIDATE in 2012. That is the clinton mantra the day she leaves the campaign.
Good bye Clintons and it's about time. Bill and Hillary have become rich and powerful over the last 2 decades bleeding everyone they can, including blacks to obtain more money and power. Hillary is so vain she can't accept the fact Obama is going to win. As far as Obama goes, he might make a good President, just wish he didn't have Rev. Wright hanging in his closet. Besides it will be fun watching the Oprah show from the white house.
"They would vote for Snoop Dog if he were running. This is antil-white racism."
Is that before we grin and eat our fried chicken, impregnate our women, drink forties on the corner and collect our welfare checks or after? Following this logic, since Charlotte Bobcat's owner and founder of BET "Uncle" Bob Johnson is a huge Hillary supporter, wouldn't that mean us poor Negroes (or is it coloreds where you live) would vote for her instead?
And as for the charge on experience, seems that George Washington (a general), Abraham Lincoln (a one-term congressman from Illinois), Woodrow Wilson (a college professor and one-term governor of New Jersey), Ulysses Grant and Dwight Eisenhower (war-time generals with no previous political experience) all did seemingly well in the position. So please edify me (you can look this word up gtrevi) what additional experience does he need for this job; seems our "nucaleer" president didn't need to pass this type of litmus test!
I'm going back to my fried chicken now...why don't you go vote for McCain or David Duke or whoever you feel will put us back in our place on the plantation, suh!
To all those who think Blacks voting en masse should consider a few things:
1) Bill Clinton created a backlash with his comments last February. This drove many Black voters from Hillary Clinton. It was a slap in the face.
2) Thought this campaign women have openly said they support Clinton because she is a woman. That doesn't raise the ire of anyone, so consider what this inconsistency implies about you before you hurl accusations of racism.
3) Many Whites are voting for Clinton precisely because of Obama's skin color according to exit polls. If you do not consider that racism, at least you have to admit that this so-called reverse racism on the part of Blacks is doing little more than evening the field.
4) There is a difference of voting against someone because of skin color (i.e., racism) and voting for someone because you identify with them because of a common culture.
Dear fellow-Obama supporters:
It's so easy now to call for Clinton to quit. To tell her supporters "I told you so." To brag that Obama survived a two-pronged assault and regained momentum in the contest that is now pretty much impossible for him to lose.
It's also a really bad idea.
Clinton supporters are heading into their most vulnerable hours. Their hopes of seeing the first woman president (for many older supporters, possibly in their lifetimes) are dying before their eyes. Their fears about the racial divide that accompanies the Wright story are at least partially validated.
Many Clinton supporters will join us. Many already have. But many will succumb to fear or the not-so-subtle appeals of McCain or the GOP.
Clinton is basically forced to keep up the fighting stance publicly and fulfill her promises to donors by keeping every strategy open, even the nasty rule-changing ones that make us angry. And yes, she and her hubby may be in denial to a degree. But they aren't morons. They will exit gracefully soon enough. And hopefully even tone down the negative rhetoric now that it is pretty clear it can only politically harm her in the future.
Check out the following from Huffington Post that backs up this point from an inside Clinton source if you haven't already:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-odonnell/hillary-will-drop-out-byb100625.html
Anyway, the point is that we now have the capacity to breathe a bit easier with respect to the primary. Let's not shoot ourselves in the foot for the general. Now is the time to open our arms to Clinton people and speak positively about her campaign, whether it deserves it or not. The Obama campaign, to its credit, has perhaps made us forget how recently we depended on Clinton-style politics. They may have been playing an older, comparitively corrupt game, but it was the best game in town until recently and there was so much good that Bill gave us and that Hillary offered. And one day a new political visionary will hopefully come along and make Obama look outdated and corrupt by comparison. He knows he's not perfect and we shouldn't pretend he is.
When and if Clinton supporters tell us they are losing confidence in victory for Clinton or the Democratic party, I think it's best that we give them empathy and understanding. And for those that are still denial, there's no harm in backing off and giving them time to let it sink in as long as we don't keep fighting with them. I will be, in a way, sorry to see her go. She really did overcome amazing GOP attacks to launch a campaign that most of us thought would get her the nomination until this year. And it would have been really nice to see a woman in the white house. I'm excited about the idea of seeing a person of color within reach of that goal, and I really can't say which is more important or how much weight if any we should give such things in our decision about who to vote for. I'm voting for Obama for his policies, collaborative abilities, intelligence, and character. But I am all too aware of how subtly sexism has made life difficult for men and women alike, and I understand how badly female viewpoints are needed in our government. In that respect, Clinton's defeat is a loss for us all.
Now is the time to point out the similarities between Obama and Clinton, not the differences. It's so tempting to jump on the ridiculous gas tax proposal or get bitter about "bitter" comments or the recent focus on Rev. Wright, but let's save that steam for the general. Health care policy that saves countless lives, reigning in the tax breaks for the ultrarich, bringing our soldiers back from a military disaster...let's make sure our Clinton-supporting fellow Democrats know how much we care about the same things they do.
Obama is being set up for the slaughter by the republicans. many who voted for obama did so not because they really believe in his candidacy but because they dislike hillary. and all these is being fuelled by the republican machinery which knows its going to be much harder beating her. just watch them make mince meat out of obama. shame.
This discussion, like most of these threads, spend way too much time dealing with idiotic rants from nutjobs like McCain 2008. I say this as someone who supported "McCain 2000," but like anyone with a functioning brain who is not a Kool Aid drinking right wing radical I simply cannot vote Republican any more.
For the 70% of us don't support President Bush's policies, it is crystal clear to us that the Republicans have screwed everything up at home and abroad so badly and rely on an outdated silly ideology that looks like sheer lunacy to all but crazed Cold War and cultural warriors. The GOP has lost the young vote for a generation and this election those numbers will matter. The inspirational message of change, the Internet fundraising, the creation of a grass roots movement for change is real and will only spread.
So it is best to let the McCain 2008 types spin their unreality while millions and millions of new voters keep registering as Democrats. McCain loses 20+% of GOP votes when running uncontested in these primaries. Can you feel the love for Big Mac amongst the ever-shrinking base of the Republican party?
Republicans are the biggest BS artists and bluffers of all time. In the past voters bought their fearmongering. But not this time. ALL of the Dems will vote for Obama in the end. The Clintons will want to repair their tarnished legacy and Clinton supporters will not want to give W a third term.
In addition to Dems badly outnumbering Republicans, millions and millions of independents and even Republicans, once they take a closer look at McCain vis a vis Obama will likely vote for Obama. McCain is a very likeable but pathetic candidate who cannot argue his way out of a paper bag. He will look like an alzheimer's patient fumbling around making mistatements and getting visably annoyed when the media gives him "the treatment" that Obama has withstood.
Obama's winning the nomination is inevitable now, and marks the end of the beginning of the election. Now comes the beginning of the end. Once we get daily Obama vs McCain news cycles like the past few months of Obama vs Clinton, McCain's numbers will drop like a stone as the media finally turns its attention to Ole Johnny boy.
Okay...I can't help it, but I have to comment about one ludicrous comment that can be found within every fanatical outburst about Obama's affiliations with Muslims, flag issues, etc... It is just a small thing, but it shows how stupid the fanatics are. Okay...how many out there somehow believe that a man or woman chooses their own name at birth? Anyone? Do I hear crickets??? This is why you are never taken seriously. If his father is a muslim...then it only makes sense that his father gives him a muslim type name, right? Did Obama have a choice? You can't explain yourself there no matter how hard you try. Take that bit out next time you choose to vomit all over these legitimate posts. And by the way...I am from jewish descent, on my father's side, and all my first and middle names are biblical. Does that make me Jewish??? (fyi...I am not)
IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG MISTAKE, IF OBAMA RUN AGAINST MCKAIN. I'M SURE HE GOING TO LOSE. THE BEST AGAINST MCKAIN IS HILLARY. IF YOU REALLY ARE DEMOCRATIC THINK ABOUT WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO THE PARTY.
McCain2008, care to explain why you have been sitting in a party which has 247 white Senators and Congressmen and Governors?
And, oh don't give us the Condi and Colin Powell answer, they were not elected by the republican base.
it seems to me the best idea would be obama president and hillary, vice president, that makes sense, why cant they see that?? deep south.
well put Mr. Goldman, well put.
Michael (L.A. CA) has it exactly right. Both in substance and in tone.
It is now time to unite, and this means treating Clinton supporters with the respect and understanding they deserve. While I am no fan of Hillary Clinton, one cannot help but be impressed by her supporters' enthusiasm, passion and dedication. We all share the same goal and now need to work together to achieve it.
I see people posting that because 90% Aferican Americans in NC voted for Obama that they are racist. Does that make every woman who votes for Hillarybob a sexist? Maybe they just think he is the better candidate. I don't vote for Democrats, I am white, and I would take Obama over Hillarybob any day. I can't stand her attitude that comes across as if she "deserves" to be president, I don't know, maybe for staying married to Billybob. I can't stand the Clintons and I know a lot of people that feel that way. They should just go away.
Somebody, please tell me why and how a person can stand up before the world and vividly describe detailed lies and still gain the confidence of American voters??? Incidents such as being 'under fire' from a past international visit, and that person only has to say that they must have remembered it incorrectly?????
That person lied to the whole world!!! and their excuse...!!!???
How would anyone know what is the truth and what is a lie, that comes out of that person's mouth??
Not saying that I have a better presidential choice or alternative, but, I JUST DON'T GET IT!!!
Why is it that every time some one mentions race ...we all go crazy...you would have to be a toatl idiot to think race is not an issue in theis primary....on both sides...barack gets 9 out of 10 black votes....Geeez that is a coincidence....Clinton gets older, less educated blue collar whites....wow what a surprise...Get over it...Barack is getting a lift because he is Black,...fact plain and simple...Clinton is getting a lift because she is a woman...fact, plain and simple...why is it we have such a hard timne accepting these things? The democrats are not this "pure as the driven snow, socially advanced, correct thinking" group any more than any other party. They just think they are...time to face reality...the democrats have the same problems that the rest of the world has....learning to live together and get along, and try to focus on the issue and not the person...so far they are not doing very well!!!
thx victor. i appreciate your comments as well. i am confident the time has now come for truthtelling and hope for the future to overtake the lies and fearmongering of the past.
Stop beating my grandson. Jeremiah is ready to give him hell already for sucking up to all you typical white people (like me) and for not paying attention in church: for 20 years Barack was listening to Jeremiah bitching about his wife's (Obama's) roommates-the white racists from Princeton and didn't know what Wright (the like father) was saying. Pay attention!
"He is like a father to me" - I never heard him say bad things everyone else did.
His wife graduated form the best Schools - Nothing to be proud of here in America.
Lets bring People together - even you Typical white people who all are racist.
FUCK YOU, Mr. President.
What Americans of any race needs to be mindful of is this, if you and your ancestors have been voting for a candidate who is of a different race than you, since you were given permission to vote by that race(via,bombings,lynchings protests, marches etc.) Then who would not rally around the first viable candidate of your own race? Many Americans do not realize how they sound. Why are the Blacks voting for Obama - duh It's the first time in the history of this self-rigtheous country that we've had the opportunity to do just that!Vote for someone who looks like us! It has a lot to do with pride people.It 's been okay for years for us to turn out 90% of our vote for a white man. Wake up America!
As an African American and a North Carolina resident, I wasnt surprised at the trun of events of last nights primary. Obama campaigned extensively in North Carolina and rallied people around his campaign and message. With that being said, I supported and voted for Hillary Clinton.
I have read many of the posts where people talk about the polarized and overwhelming black vote for Obama in North Carolina and most other states. No one should be surprised. I cant begin to tell you all the flack that I have caught for not supporting the "black" candidate. I find it highly offensive that many blacks that I come in contact with here in North Carolina dumb the presidential campaign simply to race, then have the nerve to decry racism at every turn. Do they not understand that voting for a candidate primary because of race IS AS RACIST as not voting for a candidate primarily because of race?
Personally, I beleive that Obama has secured the nomination for President but not without a lot of help. The media(until recently) has basically rolled out the carpet for him. I dare to agree with Geraldine Ferraro(to a degree) when she said that he is succeeding because he is a black man. Think about this, for the longest time, the media didnt want to say "ANYTHING" against Obama. Why? They roasted Clinton at every turn (and actually revealed one of America's accepted prejudices, sexism) and did virtually the same for Mc Cain. Did the media fear that they would be labelled racist? Even when the Rev. Wright situation came into play, network news waited weeks to break the story and many didnt even mention the story until they had to cover Obama's "race speech" and reference why he had to give one. Had the shoe been on the other foot and McCain had a white supremist pastor who was a close advisor for 20 years, Mccain would probably have to flee the country. Is that fair? Is that right?
I'm really trying to understand the media's fascination with the victory in North Carolina. This was Obama's demographic. He exells among blacks and they comprised a HUGe majority of voters. Who was shocked that he won? Actually, demographically, everything stayed the same. As usaul, Barak won blacks, independants and young people and Hillary still carried the white vote and people over 60...
I think what North Carolina DOES expose is that as Obama touts his "One America" and "unity" America is STILL more polarized by race then ever before. This democratic race that is supposed to unite us, really has us divided as history has always dictated.
I am a republican but after this Bush I converted to be a democrat. It is clear that the popular vote belongs to Obama, it is time Hilary honorably bows out, for the sake of the party. This will also demonstrate her sincerity as a public servant, and not merely serving her own prideful interests. Democrats must unite against John McCain now, if we want to salvage this country of ours in peril!
Oh, my memory is faltering.. I am doing my scrapbook...you all must know..where was Barack in the Sept 16th 2001? You know, the Sunday after Sept. 11th? You know the "God damn America" day? My grandson is so religious, his pastor is "like a father" to him, he is so sensitive! (I've been to church my whole life and barely know my pastor!)
So, anyone? Where the hell was he on the day when EVERYONE in America went to church? Cause you know...he WASN't in the pews. GIVE ME A BREAK.
KLO, you might want to get back to a lovely little comment leveled at Mr. McCain by a reporter, to the tune of "How do we beat the b----"? to which he replied, "Good question." McCain not sexist? Yeah, right. IMHO, it will be a great day for this country when we solely judge a candidate by their ability to effectively govern this country and lead us out of the swampland we seem to be immersed in without questions of race, sex, or gender gettin' in the way. Personally, if McCain wins, I will wonder if America wants to vote for anybody but an aging white male Republican 'cause yep, we haven't seen that day just yet.
JDMorgan, what a nice post! Thanks.
I am neither black nor white. I am an American citizen of mixed Asian background. These whole talk about Obama being black is bizarre. He is as much white as he is black! Polarized this and that, if we want to save this country from all the mess Bush created, we have to unite behind the popular preference, Barack Obama and let Hilary know its time to bow out gracefully - or else we are up to another smarter Bush type leadership under McCain!
Hillary should stay in, but quit if she loses in West Viriginia next Tuesday or in Kentucky.
Are voters racist - or sickeningly shallow? Obama's charisma and Hillary's husband draw votes, but more experienced and talented guys like Bill Richardson go nowhere because they aren't colorful. Sad.
Also, Obama is losing badly among rural whites and blue collar Catholics - key swing voters who dislike Rev. Wright. Obama may be a surprisingly weak candidate against McCain due to this.
"They would vote for Snoop Dogg" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ First of all, Obama is not Snoop Dogg - he is a Harvard Educated Senator. Second, what do you make of the majority of Whites with college degrees voting for Obama while most people with high school diplomas are voting for Hillary? What do you make of the majority of younger people voting for Barack in never seen huge numbers? Are they biased in some way too? Your argument you pulled out of your buttocks does not hold up.
Maybe it is not racial but class based. People who can think, vote for the good guy and not the wicked witch. Time for Miss Hill to say Babye! Maybe all those white folks with barely a high school diploma voting for her would vote for her is she were Britney Spears...they vote for Trash like them.
It's interesting to note that people talk about Jeremiah Wright as a racist (he may or may not be), yet the U.S. is filled with 'white' churches that spread a theology that is openly racist, blacks are the condemned brother from the Cain and Able bible story and are cursed, whites were given the U.S. by God and had a right to eliminate the Indians etc. The mid-west and south is full of these 'religious institutions'. Oh yes and Bush was (and is) a friend and regular visitor to Bob Jones University (religious), that banned inter-racial dating and condemns homosexuality as a sin. Yet none of these shrill screamers accusing Obama of racism seem to consider this important. You may agree or disagree with Wright but he never actually attacked white people for being white, he attacked the undeniable legacy of real racism in the US, which judging by many posts here is alive and kicking in both political camps.
It's over HILLARY. WHatever reasoning any of you think Barack is where he is - he is still where he is AHEAD. It is over Hillary, you clown.
Obama has lots more funds than Hillary! Wait until he announces OPRAH as his running mate. He must owe her millions!
No one complains about pastors who claim homosexuality is a sin!! Hypocrites. Obama is the nominee and Hillary is done with. In with the new and out with the old.
If Bill likes Monica better than her, why should we accept her. OVER. Time to move on Hillary. Go fight sniper fires or something.
yes indeed race is a major player.america has come a long way.however,wehave aways to go.blacks feel justified being racist because of treatments by whites.as blacks we have to realize all whites are not bad.if this makes me a uncle tom oh well.certain blacks call me uncle tom certain whites would call me smart nword.i have no problem pissing everyone off so listen up.blacks need to stop being prejudice!whites need to stop acting like they don'trealize their racist.as blacks we need to realize its not a level playing field.it's not insurmountable mountain it was.we are clearly beating ourselves.black problems are going to change when blacks fall in together like just about every other race of people and fix it themselves.it sounds simple. however it's so simple it's extremly hard.
Just IGNORE McCain 2008, his way of thinking is of Hitler-type, which was disaster in human history. He is actually in real person SEAN HANNITY of Fox News. So credibility wise, just let him post to his heart's content, but VERY FEW will buy his ideas. I trust more Americans are more intelligent and will march along with Obama for a better tommorow and a better world.
I am very disappointed in all of you who are saying this is racist!! Statistics show caucasians are voting for Obama just as much as African-Americans. We as Christians and as people need to work together on this issue. I support Obama, but if Hillary get nominated I will support her. Let's stop this nonsense!! We already have a WAR in IRAQ!! DO WE NEED ONE HERE AGAINST EACH OTHER??? Please be careful what you say in your comments. This section was not placed here for everyone to start throwing stones at each other!! You don't even know these people who are making these unnecessary comments!! Don't let them get you upset!! Use that worry on something else. As long as we do what we are doing. (VOTING) God Will Provide A Good Leader!! Just like Moses!! Hate Me If You Like, but I Still Love You!!!!!
this is for barack obama you will win for now but do not be to joyful because when REALITY hits you hard it will break your heart.....and for my HILLARY as promise he will not win the GOLD ROD but hillary stay strong and as promise after the this our new leader is elected.... yYOU WILL BE OUR ATER NEXT LEADER..so give him h...... ok . ok. apromise is a promise....I> L >
I think the long drawn out Democratic race will help them in the long run as mcbush (very funny)is actually sounding and looking like an outgoing president even before getting into office. He may get complacent and overconfident before the general election.
I SMELL FEAR, HATE AND JAMES CROW III IN THE HOUSE.
THANK GOD, YES ...GOD THAT THINGS DO CHANGE AND PASS. ANYTHING THAT DOES NOT CHANGE IS DEAD OR STAGNANT. GOODBYE MCCAIN 2008 AND YOUR LITTLE, VERY LITLE CHEERING SQUAD. (YOUR PRESIDENT WAS A CHEERLEADER....RIGHT?) WAKE UP, ALL YOU HAVE LEFT IS BITTER, YES! BITTER COMMENTS. IF YOU HAVE ANY MIRRORS IN YOUR DEN, LOOK VERY HARD AT YOUR SELF. IF YOU ARE HAPPY WITH WHAT YOU SEE, I PITY YOU. GET OVER IT. CHANGE IS WHATS HAPPENING RIGHT BEFORE YOUR BEADY LITTLE EYES.
CIAO
So much hooplahhh over Barack not being able to get the blue collar vote. I'm a 45 year old white blue collar worker from pennsylvania and I voted for Barack. I weighed the good and bad between the 3 presidential hopefuls and I decided on Barack Obama. I want a peacemaker not a fighter. The world is full of fighters ready to hurt others verbally or physically. one of the roles of president is to bring people, nations together to live in peace. Thats why I voted for Barack Obama.
How come no one ever brings up the fact that Hillary stayed with her husband after numerous escapades with other women. Here she is, in repeated instances of being able to stand up for herself & show some self respect...& she decides to do nothing. I don't buy that "that's personal life" garbage. I'm sorry. I think that it is equally fair to bring up her choices (or lack of) as part of her character. Who lets someone do that to them? Who puts up with that? She wants us to believe she's a strong woman. Don't think so. There's some serious character flaws there. I think her repeated displays of contenment would keep us in Iraq even longer if she were at the helm.
It is interesting is how this election exposes what could be called "latent" racism. This is expressed by many who huffily deny that they are "racist", yet instantly believe any negative thing said about Obama, including the myth that his organization "plays" the race card. Latent racists only need any flimsy excuse to dismiss Obama for any number of reasons: that it is he and his wife that are racist, that he is only a candidate because 90% of african americans vote for him, that he is muslim, that he has no clear policies. And don't forget the easiest- the good Rev Wright! Obama was well on his way to the nomination until things provoking "latent" racism started cropping up, perhaps first with Bill Clinton's disgusting behavior! It will be a great milestone if Obama can be elected in spite of the level of pigment in his skin. It will change the way the world sees the US, and hopefully change some attitudes within the US!
Ever since Obama entered this contest RACE has been the issue, it was their simmimering under the surface from the beginning and blew up with the Wright factor. Hilary cynically exploited it to try and gain ground and created emotionally charged divisions that may well cost the Democrats the presidency. Ask yourself this, has Obama cast doubt on Hilary's candidacy because she's a women, has the media been filled with lurid stories casting gender aspersions, has Hilary had to stand up and make self-justifying speeches because she's a woman, no! (Think about it JD Morgan). RACE is still the great fault line in American politics and society, and that is why the millions of Whites who have consistently voted for Obama are the real heroes of this whole process, they represent the future, the new and courageous America that is striving for real change and will accept nothing less. Good on you all!
Some people are blind by default and others are by simply choosing to be ignorant and prejudiced. For the former a ray of light represents a reason to HOPE and for the latter, it represents an opportunity to destroy. How sad gtrevi, mccain2008, mike and many others conform with the latter. The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams. -Thomas jefferson.
I really think that the "gas tax gambit" wiped out whatever chances she might have had at this point, and for these reasons:
(1) It's not just bad policy, it's really bad, ineffective, follow-the-polls policy - and expensive at that, in terms of impact on the deficit. It's also bad leadership - the worst form of pandering.
(2) In the face of wholesale opposition from economists, she just derided them as "elitists", showing that she, like Bush, would just ignore the advice of those to whom she should listen.
(3) All this undercuts the "experience" argument: if she puts forward bad policy and ignores the expert consensus, then what is her experience worth?
(4) She said that members of Congress were either for her or against her on the gas tax issue. That's no way to win them over as superdelegates. Would they want to work with a President who tries to force bad policies on them?
(5) Not only is the "gas tax holiday" a bad idea, it's also one borrowed from the Republicans, so where is the policy leadership in comparison with them?
She further undercut the "experience" argument when she said that she would "obliterate" Iran if it attacked Israel. That's extreme rhetoric that should not be coming from anyone with foreign policy experience. Statements like that give rogue nations like Iran and North Korea both a reason and an excuse to go nuclear, like the "axis of evil" statements from Bush. When she talks about "obliterating" Iran, and when McCain thinks it's funny to sing "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran", it's going to be that much more difficult to build a coalition to move forward with either a negotiated solution or sanctions and enforcement and whatever else it may take to head off an Iranian nuclear weapon. When she makes statement like "obliterating" Iran (a country of 60 million people), is she really the person we want answering the red phone at 3 am? Presidents (and potential Presidents) need to be much more careful in their statements. Better to remember what Theodore Roosevelt said, "Speak softly and carry a big stick."
The more desperate Hillary gets, the more she sounds like McBush.
On both the domestic and foreign front, Hillary has totally undercut the experience argument, leaving it wide open for Obama to appear presidential on leadership and policy.
She can no longer use the experience argument; she has totally blown it.
Because I enjoy reading rreader comments nearly as much as the essays that trigger them, I appreciate the various poublications providing opportunities for reader feedback.
That said, I found Denis Arvay's & Viktor's comments above particularly worthwhile.
Is it racism that most of my fellow Liberia Group One, 1962-4, former Peace Corps Volunteers, 95% of whom are white, are rabid Obama fans? Perhaps so, because we served in & liked West Africa & Africans. But I Christian (Catholic) & conservative from smalltown Kansas (& yes, a gun owner also) am going to vote for John McCain.
You know, I find all this chatter interesting. I am not an Obama supporter - I think he's too inexperienced & naieve to do the job that needs done. I think Hillary can win in Nov, & more importantly, I believe HRC will do the work this country so desperately needs from it's leader. As the daughter of a Black man who lived Jim Crow laws & was a 2nd class citizen most of his life, I am happy to see America embracing an African-American candidate. It's really cool that he's being taken seriously. At the end of the day, what matters most is who is the most capable candidate, and for my money, HRC is that person.
gtrevi,
Are you one of those voters without a college degree? Ha! By your last comment, I suggest that you go back to school, your intelligence is lacking.
In the end, none of this crap really matters.We're going to hell in a handbasket,regardless.
By sitting in church for 20 years and listening to a preacher spread the word of god is one thing agreeing to his own personal beliefs are another. Should I be blunt and say that the people who sit in a catholic church and worship with him also in agreement with him. That would mean they are pedophiles to, wake up America you never know how a person really are until there backs are against the wall or if they want there 15 minutes of fame. obama has proven to be a leader. For those of you who didn't know his mother was white his father was black. He was raised by his mother and grandparents. So he is muticultural and he cares about people not just their skin color.
I particularly feel sorry for Bill whose reputation has suffered seriously because of the need to support her stubborn and desperate wife in her quest for WH. He was the closest black president [even more than Kennedy] the African Americans could boast of. All that is practically lost for an unjust cause, unjust because the nomination is lost at the end of the day! what a pity!!! The earlier Hillary sees this, throws in the towel and rallies her supporters to embrace Obama, she might lighten the damages done to the seriously wounded Clinton legacy .
Would people stop using the race card! The man is both Black & White. He's got a little bit of you and me in him. Depending upon where you come from and what you believe is how you'll vote in the end. I like Obama because he seems to represent what I am hoping for in a candidate. He has been the most honest candidate I've ever seen and known in the history of this country.
It is time for a female to be president if there is to be change in this country. Not another man, no matter what color he may be. The best ticket would have been Hillary and Obama as vice-president and the with experience in 8 years he could have been president and the democrats would have been in the White House for 16 years. It is time for a woman to win to set the bar higher and make things equal in status. Women have been abused and discriminated against in our society since the beginning no matter what color they are. Men have been in charge for over 200 years and one can see the mess that we are in. Obama is just another ego driven man that doesn't have a clue about what is going on in this country. Hillary should win if there is ever to be equal status for women in the next 84 years. If she loses then it will continue to be an up hill battle for women in all areas of our society. If McCain wins it will be the same if not worse.
The most difficult aspect of this discussion is that we are talking past each other. Most of the participants are writing out of frustration and many more out of ignorance with just a few writing with intelligence and reason. Viktor, Goldman to name a few have edified us, but McCain and Gtrevi are brimming with hate. It amazes me that there are individuals out there who are so consumed with hate compounded by ignorance that readers can sense it even over the airwaves. Those who disparage Obama need to compare themselves to him: I suspect they hardly have a high school diploma talk less of a college degree.Few people know the benefits of a college exposure as it broadens the mind and improves critical thinking skills - not name-calling and disparagement. Some people wear their ignorance like a medal - what a pity!!!!!!!!!!!
A vote for Obama is a vote for John McCain. That is who I will be voting for if Obama gets the nomination. He was not even raised in this country and has no experience! - A Hillary supporter
Too many silly people on this board. Black people have been voting for whites for as long as this country was founded, and you say blacks are racist for voting for Obama? The racists are the ones who wouldn't vote for a black man if their life depended on it.
BTW: Blacks would not vote for Snoop Dogg, just as blacks did not support Al Sharpton 4 years ago. Obama is actually qualified, hence why he's so popular. You people are so small-minded and ignorant, it's sad.
I'm from the state of N.C and i know this state well. I cant believe it is voting for a black. Obama will be horse fodder for Mccain. Oboma does not know enough about economy war or anything like Clinton. I for one will vote for Mccain even if its the samemo sanemo. Hilliary is the only who can stand up against Mccain.
I'm from the state of N.C and i know this state well. I cant believe it is voting for a black. Obama will be horse fodder for Mccain. Oboma does not know enough about economy war or anything like Clinton. I for one will vote for Mccain even if its the samemo sanemo. Hilliary is the only who can stand up against Mccain.
This is what America embodies pitting race and gender against one another. Why don't you guys see this election for what it is, a time for change. A time to quit judging people for their exterior and basing it moreso on there character. Yes, black people are voting in record numbers, as a minority our communities are suffering, as a single mother, I experience the economic hardships. However, Bush has run our country into the ground, so much that even the upper class feelings are feeling its burdens, look at all the home foreclosures. I initially wanted to vote for HRC, I felt she was a very active first lady and demonstrated her abilities during Bill's term. But the she and her husband played the race card and that right there lost her the support she needed to win the race, its not about pro black, it's about the lesser of two evils. Just like the 2004 election Edwards didn't win because he was too weak, America wanted Bush out then but Edward was not strong enough in our eyes. Simply put Obama reflects strength, I admit I had never heard of him before hand, but I did vote for him. He is an ideal candidate, firstly he can identify with both major races, being bi-racial, look around you the blending of races is more prevalent than ever before. So quit pulling the race card, America wants change, change of economy, change of the war, change of President, Period.
Technically, Obama is NOT black. He is of mixed heritage. However, for those that choose to focus on the color of his skin and not his character and resolve for change, then you pass on a chance to make a change for the good of all people, black,white, man, woman and child.
Why is it that every time a black person gets involved in something important, prejudices start to show. Haven't we yet got pass this kind of horror in the USA. Why can't we stop the name calling and let this be about a presidential race. Obama has the right to run just like anyone else that is qualified. Why must skin-color always be in the mix when it involves someone black. Blacks have been voting for white presidents since they have been voting and whites have been voting for whites since the beginning. Its time to be more about the love of this country and not about your bigotry and smallness of mind. If you want to vote for Hillary then vote for Hillary, not because she is white, but because you like her platform and what she stands for. The same goes for Obama and McCain. Obama is a good man. I truly believe he wants there to be a better tomorrow for all of us. Stop saying things that are not true. He is not perfect, he has made mistakes, but so has Hillary and I'm pretty sure McCain has too. Don't you think Obama knew that all this racist bull crap was going to come flying his way when he decided to run? Of course he did and so did every other black person. It's a routine that's never going to change. Bigotry is alive and well in the USA. Just because blacks want to vote for a black man does not mean they're anti-white. There are plenty of blacks that did not vote for Obama in the primaries. This is a new era with new ideas and there's got to be a change whether it's Obama or Hillary. Our present situation in the White house is killing us literally. Bush has not done a thing to help us here at home. He has made life miserable and put us in so much debt that it will take a miracle to recover. Do you want to keep him in there just because he's white, or do you want to go for change? Change cannot be any worst than the situation we are in now. For all those "democrats" that are threatening to vote for McCain, shame on you. Let's be a strong party with a unified spirit whether it be Hillary or Obama. Let's not divide the party, but come together to bring forth a better tomorrow. I hate name calling and skin-color prejudices. Give our canidates a chance. I personally think it is time for Clinton to step out of the race. She is beginning to make me think she feels its all about Hillary and not the common good of the party. We need to start putting together a united party for the road toward November. I wish you would stop saying Obama cannot run and win against McCain. I don't believe that. When you as a democrat say that, you are simply defeating yourself and the party by putting it out there. Let's stay positve and stay behind our party with a strong belief that WE CAN.
With all due respect to both candidates, the Democratic Ticket has yet to produce a solid winning team. Irregardless of where we stand on the issue or race, age, or gender, our election process is by its very nature flawed and prone to error; however, I want all those who support Obama to step forward come November when the Republicans soundly win the General Election- why? Because the Dems might win the battle for a nominee, but will lose the war against McCain. Obama makes for pretty speeches- when is the last time anyone heard a substantive plan that wasn't lifted from the Clinton playbook? When we Dems lose in November, remember to stand proud and state why you could not pick the better candidate-Hillary Clinton.
Now this is just plain incredulous!!!
Do you know that it's being said among some white churches that they have the belief that Obama is the AntiChrist??!!??
No....Seriosuly folks!!!
I heard that from a very good friend who truly believes this,and this morning from a co-worker as well at the job...
That just blows my mind that this is fear of a black man in the so-called untimate position of authority is growing to outright paranoia...Sad,and this is supposed to be the 21st century..
Im looking so foward to the new "multicultural" world we are really going to live in soon, a place where one cannot have their children walk down the street safely,where a parent can watch cartoon network with his children and on comes a commercial where two "afican american " girls start talking about sex and how her boyfriend "pulled out" in time and now her friend wants to take her to get a SDT test, how enjoyable that was, where the english language will be changed dramatically as for "excuse me" to "wasup" such a nice sound, where the new workforce of the young generation does not know what real work is or a thought process for that matter just where is my check?? Good luck America
America has led an Anti-Intellectualism Movement in this country and it's getting way out of control. So many of you will vote for the dumbest reasons, despite the fact that this country is leading toward a very dangerous path. What a shame. Nothing will save many of you from utterly dangerous stupidity.
Reading these comments and others, I am reminded of a a difference I observe between Democrats and Republicans --- Republicans hate Democratic leaders (Clintons, T. Kennedy, Obama, Carter) while Democrats hate all Republicans (see many a celebrity rant, lefty blogs and this comment page).
This is my first time participating in this type of forum. Really interesting and insightful. Now to coin a much hackneyed phrase, 'CAN WE ALL GET ALONG?' After reading all of the statements, pros and cons, digesting them and now responding. We all should take a moment and relax. The time will come when we will freely make our own choice. No matter the color, gender, economic status, education, etc. we will make a choice. We are all blessed with that freedom, freedom of choice. Right or wrong left or right or even the middle. Act with reason because this is still a democracy that I proudly fought for as a member of the military of this USA. Temper the rhetoric and respect each others outlook no matter how it may be verbally expressed. Would we all speak in the real presence instead of the internet would we be so grass and uncivil? Ladies and Gentlemen let us not got the way of all great and powerful nations of the past. Dignity is a wonderful gift. Thank you really sincerely Thank you.
A Human Being
iab, it is so refreshing to read something from someone who possesses intellect. From reading all the age old foolishness remarks, makes me know how important it is for Senator Obama to be the next commander in chief. He is the only person that has everyone electrified at the prospect of MOST of us, for once, being unified to move this country to the stature of Greatness that it once was and respected by other countries in the world. America has no credibility as it is now. And someone mentioned Colin Powell. Well, he was looking like one of Bush's puppets for a long time but he did manage to save face after GW and his cronies used him and put him on front street in the United Nations to say that Iraq had WMDs and left that godforsaken administration.
I have never understood people who go out of their way to create mischief and evil. What good will come to you from that? You guys are the same people who made all the racist Tiger Woods jokes when he first came on the golfing scene and kicked butts left and right. He is still here and not going anywhere.
Senator Obama wants a better America and a better American people. What is wrong with that? I don't get all this racist stuff. Enough is enough. Peace.
I think it's shameful to take this election in the direction of race. There are people in this country that will do anything to create racial discord, so that their pathetic life won't seem so pathetic.
Viktor, ONE231, are part of the few that shows any intelligence on this post. It’s good to see that there are still some sensible people left in this country.
Most people see the world through colored lenses.
It's amazing how bias and bigotry tends to come out of people when they cannot be seen.
As an educated PERSON that happens to be Black, I can tell you that I support Obama, not because he is black, but because, I've seen career politicians waste our tax dollars, lie and deceive us for many years.
Many of these politicians are loved by the general public.
Most people are busy with their day-to-day life; in addition they are clueless about the law, the constitution, financial responsibility, or anything close to it.
When Clinton and McCain said they wanted a 3-month suspension of the Gas tax, I laughed.
If the general public wasn't so stupid, they would know the following:
1 - Suspending the tax helps the Gas Companies, because even though the consumer pays the tax, the gas companies have to collect and pay it out of their profits. By suspending it.
THEY KEEP THAT PROFIT AND NOT GIVE IT TO THE STATES! MORE MONEY FOR THE GAS COMPANIES!!
2 - Millions Will be lost by the states, for public roads, and other important things that we NEED to take care of.
3 - It is stupid and selfish to say I'll screw my state and my country to save $18 to $30 a month for 3 months.
This step may also create other unforeseen financial problems for the country.
This is not a logical or debatable issue.
I laugh when people say; all blacks who vote for Obama only do it because he's black.
I'm SURE not all blacks think alike. Even if it looks that way to none blacks. Even the idiot on this post who said blacks would vote for snoop dogg if he ran for president.
That is such a stupid and brainless comment.
Any person, Black, White, Indian, Chinese, Hispanic, or any other racial group would get my vote, if that person shows intelligence, honesty, ability, and the willingness to change the status quo!
No one questioned me when I voted for Bill Clinton, because that is what is expected of blacks.
When I campaigned for Bill Clinton in the 90's I felt it in my bones he would make a difference! And he did make many great decisions for the country, and some not so good ones.
For the first time since that time, I see another candidate, Obama! HE WILL DO GREAT THINGS FOR THE COUNTRY!
Many will resist and try to make his presidency difficult, but he’ll prevail!
Dear H. R. Clinton,
You are no longer a little girl. Stop playing. There comes a point and time when you know that you are defeated. This is one of those times. Accept it and move on for the good of the USA.
First, Blacks were denied voting rights. Once granted, we were criticized for not voting in mass, even though most candidates didn't/wouldn't represent our interests. Now we get ignorant racist comments when we vote in mass and our vote has an impact. No one, especially the media, makes an issue of Whites coming out in mass and voting for Hillary, or any candidate of their choice. Obama has done an outstanding job of overcoming negative attacks by Hillary and the republican controlled media. Look at how they've focused exclusively on the negative comments of Obama's former pastor. Yet, they've deliberately avoided mentioning the Clinton's former pastor, Rev. William Procanick, who was recently sentenced to 3yrs in prison for perjury and molesting a 7yr old girl. Maybe the Clinton's need to see if their daughter was victimized by him.
Sorry to make to intrude on your election process from the Great White (Snow) North but if you're concerned about America's place in the world ask yourself this: which of the 3 candidates offers the greatest chance of improving America's image ? Clinton & McCain are same-old, same-old - Barack wins by default.
Do NOT underestimate how low the U.S. has sunk in world opinion. Another 8 years of "we'll wipe Iran off the map" will lead to international irrelevancy for the U.S.
The world needs the U.S. and the U.S. needs Barack.
PS: how does Clinton plan on paying for her war with Iran ? Sell more Treasury Bonds to China ? Sooner or later, the credit cards will taken away. It's time that America starts paying its way in the world and that means tax reform & no more stupid wars.
THis post is specific response to McCain :) (It's long...) No response is meant to be insulting, but rather an observation of the reality that often escapes many in our society.
McCain: I have not read any inteligent responses to any of my posts. All I read is labels and chants for me to go away...that approach to criticism will not work in general election.
Response: I agree, so here ya go!
McCain: Once American hero McCain stands next to B. Hussein "God Damn America" Obama, Dems might as well forget about White House for another 8 years. And nobody is "terrified", in fact I am elated that you are putting forth this ludicricity of a candidate...landslide in Nov is guaranteed.
Response: Regardless of the way one examines what it means to be a war hero, it does not conclude that the hero is fit for the job of president. If that were the case. Then does my father qualify? A 76 year old decorated soldier (two purple hearts), one of 19 to come back from his company of 130 from the Korean war. If anyone knows what it means to be an American, it's a 76 year old black man (born during the depression 1931) who took 3 bullets to the ankle, gut and thigh on one occassion, captured 3 prisoners of war in hand to hand combat and still sets off metal detectors at the airport because there is still shrapnel in his chest from a korean mortar deemed to dangerous to remove. A true hero, who fought for a country that required him to fight in a segregated unit, threw rocks at his bus as they drove through the "white" section of their training base and treated him like less of a person due to his skin color. Not to be taken as inflammatory, but very few white people understand what it means to be a minority in this country. That said, although I don't agree with Rev. Wright, his comments about America no doubt come from a very real experience. Most minorities (and some white people) know that.
McCain: Racism is when a group votes solely on skin color and that is what has happened here. If someone points out that fact (it is a fact dont forget) labeling them racist is just a knee jerk reaction when truth is too inconvinient.
Response: Racism is actually intimately related to power. The idea of reverse racism is actually divorced from reality because the power dynamic doesn't truly make it possible. In our country, a large element of power was gained and maintained on the basis of race and unfortunately continues to affect our society in ways that are not just illusiory, but in fact real. Thus, racism by definition must operate hand in hand with power. It is possible for an oppressed population to have race based ideas, biases, perceptions and behaviors, which obviously does happen in our country, but there is no way the minority (black, latino, native american,etc) can "oppress" the white minority due to the simple fact that they inherently wield little power. LIkewise, women by definition cannot truly be "sexist" in practice because women in our society don't have the power that men do, etc. Any "ism" devoid of power is lame and impotent.
McCain: Viktor, what lies is Tiger pushing exactly? The fact that Obama got the black vote because of his color...if you think that's a lie then it is you who is the idiot (or a naive child).
Response: I believe he was responding to the idea that polls suggested Obama had the black support from the very beginning of the race. The truth is polls suggested Hiliary had the majority of black support and Obama was having trouble on that front.
McCain:
African Americans have voted for Cauca... (can we say white or is that racist too?) candidates that's true, but only because there were never any black candidates. As soon as one came around they all flocked to him...probably for his spectacular and incredibly detailed "Change" plan (note the sarcasm).
Response: If you read your history books you would reallize that there were many black canidates who didn't win the support from the black portions of society. There have been a handful throughout American history. This article lists 6 of them since 1972 (3 of which were female).
In fact, this article looks at some interesting aspects of the historical depiction of blacks and what it means to be a minority (in this case black) in a society where due to racism (see above definition) and societal power and psychological dynamics the complications of race even within a racial minority when it comes to running for public office.
Of course, like any article on any topic, it should be debated. But the general idea is very real and rooted in our history as a country.
McCain: "When you have a bloc of voters who would vote for a piece of cheese so long as it was Black and they thought it could get elected, it's hard to avoid the conclusion that their votes are racially motivated.
Response: The unfortunate legacy of racism in our country is that almost everything is racially framed because it's in the fabric of our country. It's something that our country still has not truly reconciled. (A topic worthy of discussison and understanding...)
McCain: We don't convince anyone in these comment sections; but it is refreshing to have some place we can speak freely without being afraid of being beaten up or shot for it.
Response: I agree whole heartedly :)
McCain: Contrary to the opinion of the hard left, this election will aggravate race relations in this country. It already has.
Response: Race issues are so imbedded in our country that they need to be aggravated in one way or another. The U.S. has not fully reconciled and dealt with these matters. Some may disagree, but Obama's first speech did speak a large truth. The idea that we are in a race-blind society is wishful thinking (Definitely not a foolish thought, but definitely not reallity...yet :)). We will not truly be the country we aspire to be until we do deal with these things.
McCain: And when Obama is defeated in November, things will get worse, because his defeat will be accredited to racism. Remember: all it takes is an accusation of racism to make it accepted fact. Once accused, White people are guilty until proven innocent. Mike I agree with you on this, we may not all agree but to have a forum like this is very useful. I also completely agree with your statement about race relations, once Obama is defeated in November we'll see outcries of racism.
Response: In the same vein as the previous response. Win or Lose, if it becomes a conversation, then it is a good thing. Conflict / Aggravation is the first step towards reformation, and reformation is the prerequisite for a revolution in mindset. Something our country sorely needs.
"Great dangers always accompany great opportunities. The possibility of destruction is always implicit in the act of creation. Thus the great enemy of individual freedom is the individual himself. From the beginning the weakness as well as the strength of the democratic ideal has been the people... From time to time there have been external enemies at our gates; there has always been the enemy within, the hidden and malignant inertia that foreshadows more certain destruction to our life and future than any nuclear warhead." -Saul Alinsky
In other words. Until we recognize and face the malignant problems, the dark side of our country's history and politics, We will never be the democracy we think we are. I believe Obama understands this and has the ability to lead this country towards the democratic ideal which we trumpet so often, but haven't attained. I would argue that a people who have lived in a state of terror in their own communities for so long, and have had to reconcile with the contradictions and dark aspects or our larger society recognize the opportunity. Hence the outpouring of black support.
It may helpful to understand the context of the potential nomination of Barack Obama for President of the United States by the Democratic Party.
Historically and currently, blacks have generally (not always) elected incompetent people to public office. It should be clear that elected officials are the focus of this discussion, not non-elected very accomplished men and women such as George Washington Carver, Colin Powell, Rev Martin Luther King Jr, and Condoleezza Rice.
After the overthrow of white rule in Africa, black suffrage brought in a corrupt and inept leadership. The result was continent wide starvation, disease, and genocide. African leaders ordered that confiscated farms be taken over by persons with no farming experience. Would it not have been better for these leaders to gradually install black ownership under the temporary guidance of experienced overseers, such that food production would not have been interrupted? In 2001 Zimbabwe�s President Robert Mugabe ordered funds collected through a special tax meant to help those with HIV/AIDs diverted to other projects like failed parastatals, the defense ministry and trips for international events that have nothing to do with health.
After the American Civil War, Republicans in the House and Senate were bent on punishing the Southern Aristocracy. With the election of 1866 Republicans obtained two-thirds majorities in both houses of Congress. They then enacted several punitive measures over the veto of President Johnson, including military occupation of the South, Negro suffrage (in spite of the fact that few of the Northern states had as yet granted the Negro the vote), and disenfranchisement of former white combatants. The result was that reconstruction governments were set up across the South lead by Negroes and enforced by the army. These �carpet-bag� governments were corrupt and inept. For a decade the South languished without improvement. After the Presidential election of 1876, 12 years after Lee�s surrender at Appomattox, the Republican President Rutherford B. Hayes recalled the Federal garrisons, the white vote was reinstated, Negro reconstruction politicians began to be displaced by competent whites, and the South began the road to recovery.
After hurricane Katrina, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin withheld the city school busses from rescue efforts. He was later reelected. Louisiana Congressman William Jefferson commandeered a Katrina rescue helicopter to rescue $90,000 in bribery cash from his home freezer. His constituency reelected him to office. The African American vote has not in every case been wrong. Cynthia McKinney was not returned to office after she wrongfully had a scuffle with a security officer.
Does the Obama case fit the pattern? Obama received 90 to 92 percent of the African American vote before and after it was revealed he stayed in Rev Wright�s church for 20 years and he had said his grandmother is a typical white person and that Americans are bitter and cling to religion and antipathy and take comfort preying on hate. After these revelations Obama�s support by whites has declined perhaps 15 points, and anywhere from 27 percent to 45 percent of Hillary supporters now tell pollsters they will vote for McCain rather than Obama.
The question I have is, what crime or evidence of unsuitability for office would it take for African Americans to turn down a black man for President?
Change? Yes we can? Come on, that's so tired. Everyone that has ever run for president has said that. Give him credit though, he says it differently and confuses you (which is what his campaign tries to do). As far as getting the young white vote, it's mostly the ones thinking with their loins and who are fixated by his charm and wouldn't know an issue from a tissue. And most of the press want to be his athletic supporter more than a supporter, they too are infatuated with him. How ridiculous. Look around, isn't it "COOL" now for white girls to go with black guys? When this guy makes you take a pee test and register your gun before you can collect a welfare check then you're going to turn your back on him faster than a speeding bullet. If it wasn't for guys like McCain, this country would have belonged to the third world a long time ago. Hussein Obama, the secret racist, his wife the admitted racist and his pastor the hate-filled, white hater, government hater, idiot who married them can all take their hypocrisy and shove it. Wake up people, black and white.
Anybody that votes race or gender, wastes their vote and gets what they deserve. I am a 55 yr old white woman and I would not vote for Hillary merely because "we need a woman in the White House", and I would not vote for Obama just because of his race. I want to vote for Obama because I believe he is the first presidential candidate we've had in a long time that can actually get rid of the divisiveness and crapola in Washington. We need people that can pull together. So if every one of you that says, "Before I vote for XXXXX, I'll vote for McCain", go ahead. Waste your vote. I am going to vote for whomever gets the democratic nomination (and I hope its Obama) so that we can begin working on the economy, the war, health care, etc. Don't waste your vote. Put it to good use getting the things done that we need done.
It's so nice to see the Republicans trotting out that old chestnut 9/11 again. Let's decide the future of our country based on the politics of fear. That has worked out so well for the last 7 years what with the war in Iraq and all. I suppose I should be glad that we'll return to good old fashioned "Reaganomics" and the military industrial complex because that means more money in my pocket (but I respectfully decline). Everyone forgets (including the a lot of democrats) that the only reason we have not had another terrorist attack is because of the hard work and sacrifices of the U.S. Armed Services and not because of the President. I am backing Obama because he is trying to create the America that I have been fighting for the last five years.
Baby and McCain 2008
You both represent what is wrong with this country. Age does not represent experience, if you took the same time and energy to learn about the candidate and his qualifications, you would learn he is neither inexperienced, uneducated or just the Black candidate.
I am a woman and African-American, I am also educated and know being Black has never been a benefit in this country. Wake up!! Your reasons for not electing him are just rhetoric to cover up the decision you have made to not support a qualified candidate because he is African-American. It is nothing new, we have all seen it before.
Obama has maintained his decency, integrity, honesty, throughout this election primary. He obviously avoided negative campaign even when he souldn't. His level of mammerism, respect for his opponents, made me doff my hat for him. With obama, it is not about race, it is about character, intelligence, rapport, and he has what it takes to unite everyone. Let us not bring into play what a subbordinate did to jugde this candidate. let us judge by what material the candidate is made of, I mean political, economic issues facing this great country and how we all can help to solve the problem. lets stop the hate. obama is electible and very well qualified. You do not throw stones if you live in a glass house. Do not point finger when the other four fingers point directly at you. We are tired of living in fears, let us make America what it used to be. I have no doubt that Obama would do a better job and win landslide come November. This would be for the best of all not as a "Mesiah" to a particular race. White, brown or black is not an issue now. I have seen stunch republicans coming out in full swing for Obama amoung my community. personally, I was surprised. We are all praying for the best and for the future Americans, our kids. All hands on deck, let us make it happen. Mistakes were made, we need to make corrections and move on. let us accept defeat for when two people are pulling on a rope, one person must definitely win. This is a stated fact.
It is sad that some people (not the vast majority), but some people, in highlighting the divisions in the democratic party, choose to take the racial road. It is surprising, though, that many of these same people espousing racial rhetoric, yet feel uncomfortable discussing this in public view. As a beleiver in true democratic ideals, I look to see how a candidate lives up to the image of inclusion, fighting for those less fortunate, and support of those who need help most. The isues at hand, separating the two have been polarized so much by the media, and the campaigns, that they now hate each other, even more so than the man they seek to remove from office. I am glad that we can have two diverse candidates, yet I feel from some comments that Obama was only supposed to be there for show- to highlight that democrats could have a viable candidate, before Clinton emerged, thereby pleasing both sides. And this might have worked, if only the plan went according to script. Yet it seems an issue for some to accept Obama, due in part to his being labeled black, while many forget that only a year ago, many felt he was not black enough, and many blacks were not supporting him. Now suddenly the media spins the elections in southern states as the black vote carried him, as if 30 percent of a population can give him 60 percent of a win. But people will beelive this, for it makes them rest easier knowing that their candidate could only win due to the huge numbers of 13percent of the population somehow overcoming 70%. Ridiculous. Let's count Florida, split Michigan, and move on. Remember the world watches how Clinton and her supporters help Obama. If they think that their staying at home or switching to McCain will not be remembered if Obama loses and Clinton is up for re-election, they would be wise to think again. As one commentator put it, "the black vote is very loyal, and remembers past grievances."
Obama winning was no more racial than any other election in any other state. I remembered, however, that Indiana used to have a large and very active Klan membership...
I do not care for Obama,. He can win this nomination but He will not win the white house in November. This democrat primaries are all but nothing about white and black. This should not be like this. we should elect the best to beat McCain but now we just handed the white house to McCain because of democrat stupidity of electing Obama.
Hey sonofdiogenes thank god for something good!!
GO HILLARY GO... MOVE ON!!! YOU ARE THE ONLY HOPE FOR THE USA AND THE WORLD... I STILL BELIEVE YOU CAN MAKE IT DURING THE CONVENTION... OBAMA CANT BEAT MCCAIN... YOU CAN SURELY WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION FOR THE DEMOCRATS....
I may be wrong and hope I am. If Obama wins the presidancy then what?....I can just imagine some racist assassinating him and starting a nationwide race war. I in no way want that to happen but what if it did? Food for thought
I'm completely convinced that Obama is absolutely not a person to be elected our President, please, we don't need a muslim president at this point, the one who damns our country, nobody really knows what that " change " means. Don't you think that if Obama becomes a nominee, our next president will be McKain. If you want a Democratic president we need Hillary, the first woman who is strong enough, smart enough and experienced enough from the day one. The president's seat is too big for Obama. I'm a democrat but if Obama gets the nominee, I will be voting for Mc.Kain and the same will be the responce of many of Hillary's supporters. Who is voting for Obama? unconscious young people and the black population mostly... The most advanced and progressive states all voted for Hillary. Hope they let to count Florida and Michigan votes and let Hillary win. She needs to stay till the end , the last word wasn't pronounced yet!
IT'S A BAD YEAR FOR THE DEMOCRATS IF OBAMA IS THE NOMINEE.... REPUBLICANS GONNA SURE TO WIN IN NOVEMBER.
Look below: This is why Hillary WILL win the election- The limo driver is finally on the radar!
Posted by larrysinclair0926 on Wednesday, May 7, 2008
I Will disclose the identity of the Driver face to face on any live nationwide broadcast with Barack Obama and David Axelrod. Lets see who runs from this opportunity to address the TRUTH as Barack Obama claims he wants to tell to the American People.
Attention to all the media outlets that Barack Obama supporters and bloggers have claimed have investigated my claims and found them to be lies! While I and each of you know that such claims of your investigations are FALSE, and while you and I know that you have chosen to believe the false statements of Barack Obama’s paid and unpaid internet warriors, I will allow that to slide.
I hereby challenge all News outlets that have been represented as investigating my claims about Obama’s actions in 1999 to be untrue to Open up a slot LIVE, nationwide broadcast and I will disclose the identity of the Driver for Five Star Limo Service who: introduced me to Barack Obama, who witnessed Barack Obama obtaining drugs for both of us, and who witnessed Barack Obama engaging in a sexual act with me.
Now you can report this and stop playing your little “I Love BO” games or you can sit and allow the Axelrod/Obama team and their Internet hit squad, who have already posted edited documents about me, my personal information including my Social Security Number and who have also recently began posting my families personal Information (social security numbers, etc..) to begin attacking the driver and his family as they have done to everyone else who refuses to accept their word that I am lying.
Now we already know NBC/MSNBC will do nothing other than make false claims and assist in the circulation of fake newspaper article to scare the unbiased media away. So to NBC, I say, I look forward to meeting all of you in the very near future to hear your explanations.
Barack Obama and David Axelrod have knowingly engaged in the attacks against me and my family and the illegally obtaining of personal information and records and distributing such. They have personally approved these actions and I intend to prove just that.
Barack Obama, you say you do not want to tell the people what they want to hear, but you want to tell the truth? Well here’s your chance, on live TV face to face?
Well... humbly I point out that America (tm) is not a black and white society.My Native/First Nations friends, Tejanos, Chicanos, and Puerto Riquenos would like to be counted, and I figure one day we will show up in significant enough numbers to cause a social conundrum.
I voted for him in IL, but he was guaranteed a win since he was running against imported candidate Alan Keyes after Jack Ryan's campaign suffered a domestic abuse accusation against him.
When he was elected, I remember praying, please don't let this man let the demons of arrogance and political jackals get to him.. .please let him use these years to gain experience and build working relationship with people in Congress... please let him vote when it matters!
I have looked at both candidates and don't feel strongly about either, but I feel poorly about the arrogance of a man with not a whole lot of experience, with the comfort of a middle class education and hetero life, perhaps even with the mixed-race heritage which might be mitigating for some the Jesse Jackson aspect of a black candidate. Both have hubris beyond belief, and neither can cure all ills or make us all one, since we never have been (not even during the most united time of the second WW). We have yet to admit our problems and huge ills, and I do believe we have more work to do than hope and inspire. I thought wryly when caroline Kennedy compared her dad to one of the candidates: "the space program kennedy or the Bay of Pigs fiasco one?"
I feel uninspired enough by the elections as it is. I don't need or want hope-- I want a significant attempt to deal with our bad situation. Remember, when CA wanted change they got Arnold. Not all change is good, and a vague change can be hazardous. I think that is where we are going... toward a vague horizon with a match in the darkness and a high wind.
namaste to all
If Clinton's chosen as nominee then she surely will have the support of black people due to their support for Bill, earlier and their voting in previous elections for democratic nominees. Of course Obama will also have the support if he is chosen. It's more likely that those who voted for Obama will vote in the future for Clinton. But among white people it is not sure they will support Obama or McCain in a future race, but Clinton will have a better chance among white people. Those who voted for Clinton, white people in general may vote for McCain, cause among them are many who will not vote a black president. I think if Obama will be chosen he'll be for McCain as a lamb for a wolf. He is not competitive. Hillary can face Republicans, Obama has a chance, but we must know for sure. We are tired of Republicans' mess.
Okay, seriously, have you ever been to an integrated high school. There are 5 girls running for homecoming/prom queen. One is black the others are white. Every black in school votes for the black girl and she is the winner. They vote for her only because she is black.... that is racist.
Obama is half-black. But, the blacks are voting for him because he is black. It may or may not have anything to do with his positions.
I agree with the comment that if Snoop-dogg were the candidate, the blacks would vote for him.
The thing that amazes me is how after so many years of Democrats promising to help the blacks and they controlled Congree for 50 years and had 6 presidents with those Congresses, they never improved lives for b;acks.... except LBJ.
What did the 'first black president' Clinton do for them?
Blacks will vote democrat because Sharpton and Jackson and Oprah tell them to. They will vote for Obama because he is black.
That is racism.
Rod said :"The question I have is, what crime or evidence of unsuitability for office would it take for African Americans to turn down a black man for President?"
I have never been enthralled or engaged by Obama. Actually, his campaign offended me and turned me off to him so I cant answer your question.
But I will tell you this. There are MANY blacks who have told me that they feel that Obama is trying to make peace with whites and bring them together so that once he gets in the white house, he will then turn the tables on them and apy back blacks for every wrong that has been done to them(how illogical)..
I think that if Obama doesnt do that(as many blacks want), they will THEN turn on him..
It is quite true that nobody knows what Obama stands for because he has not said. But we can fairly easily read between the lines. He sought Marxist professors at Harvard. He has made it clear he thinks America is racist. While Karl Marx spent half his life preaching class-warfare, Obama has in only a few months unnecessarily pitted whites against blacks and promised to install economic class warfare in America by taxing one class to give to another.
Has every one forgottan what the clintons did their years of office which waz nothing so we are gonna vote for hillary who stood by her man when he cheated on her morales ha Hillary and clinmtons have done nothing for this country the first time almost certaintly wont do anything this time all bill did waz cover everything come threw it under thr rug thats why bush got all the garbage
Eight years with them two disgraceful bimbos in the White House was certainly enough. Face reality go home to New York and do something productive like working on your obese butt.
I agree it is time for a Black and/or a woman.
But, that Black woman is Condi Rice.
If McCain is smart, he will choose her as his VP and she will be the President in 2012.
Billary is a liar and a criminal like her husband.
Osama (sic) cannot be trusted. His minister and his wife are racists. His friends are terrorists. None of them have any patriotism.
go obama.
i want see obama/flover flave vp or obama/don king vp
only in africa
"nothing so we are gonna vote for hillary who stood by her man when he cheated on her"
you know, I have heard SO MANY people say that when deciding on why not to vote for Hillary. That argument makes NO SENSE. What does her staying with her husband have to do with her candidacy. What an immature statement. That IR-rationale goes right along with the blacks that vote for Obama because he's black or those that vote for Clinton because she's a white woman. That makes NO SENSE.
furthermore, had she left Clinton, people would have used that as PROOF that Hillary cant withstand tough times..
GET REAL
Would you be so upset if one of your illegal immigrants won the nomination and the presidency? You really don't know who they are and nobody is talking about that right now. I think most people really saw through the Rev Wright/ Clinton friendship and their dirty smear idea against Obama. Hillary should have denounced her association with that crooked, unpatriotic, womanizing, adultering and pandering spouse of hers. By the way, did Monica endorse Hillary yet?
Type in "Clinton Deaths" in your search engine and see what comes up.
Do you really want these criminals in office again?
And, Obama? Who is he? His wife is an elitist racist.
I will pray that Clinton will win we need someone in office that has the knowldge to bring this country back on its feet not as much as i feel obamma will take us down and weak us when we really need to pull strong and make our country the way it should be which is great and proud, and im just affraid that if he gets ellected we are looking at another assanation in the soon future or more attacts on us with terriorsts i voted for clinton indiana may God Bless us all
Racism, a concept and a word that will not go away yet. Perhaps if all could watch a little film called AMERICAN MADE, its 25 minutes long. It may very well soothe all who watch. It's not a documentary but a narrative film. Family rules in a very positive manner after 9/11. The statements here on this site sound vitriolic and seemingly hateful so be it. Points not answered, are they ever honestly, when given in heated debate? We must deal with this event and deal with it in a reasonable manner. McCain and the others with various call names or codes have the absolute right to make their opinions and feelings public as do the others who disagree. The name calling and labeling moves us no further or together in co-existence. Having the wonderful experience of traveling and living abroad I have learned a great deal about people. I say we are so fortunate and I know that you are all aware of that fact. Who ever it is that occupies the White House will be our President and another human being. Perhaps we should wait to see and then converse at length. The real bottom line is what will we as a society contribute to the well being of this country, the world and all of its inhabitants? What will we as individuals contribute to the legacy of our world? What real positive contribution did we make to help solidify the dignity of all of our Sisters and Brothers? We all have to live here together.
Why are many saying this election is about race and majority of blacks voted for Obama. We can argue that majority of women are voting for Hillary just because she is a women. So I think this is a baseless argument by Hillary supporters. Hillary is losing this game just because of her arrogance, untruthfulness and acting as if she knows everything. Many consider her as a best women candidate, I doubt that is true. I consider Bush a better candidate than Hillary. Hillary should consider retiring politics and go somewhere so that other young talent can come up and lead this great nation. I salute people of NC for overwhelmingly supporting Obama. I have great respect for this people for doing this great service to this country. Obama has put together a great team that shows he can lead. I am not looking for someone with great experience and have answers to all our problems. I am looking for a leader who can energize people and lead. Mitt Romeny says Obama is weak and I tell you when comparing McCain you cannot get a better candidate than Obama.
I'm so tired of hearing the "Obama is winning just because he's black" argument. There are just as many women out there voting for Hillary solely because she's a woman. The argument is all the more weak if you consider the failed campaigns of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, two black men who won huge majorities amongst black voters. That was the problem with those two, however; they attracted blacks and no one else. Anyone following this election can see Obama's appeal goes way beyond just black voters.
" I am looking for a leader who can energize people and lead."
reference Jane Fonda circa 1980 during her fitness days...
we all know thta Mr McCain will be our president Obama who? hussion
thank you but no thanks 90%just vote by race and nobady has the ball to ask why.
Looking at you from across the border, it's hard to ignore an obvious racist component in the Obama vote: the so-called 'whites' seem to be more progressive than the so-called 'blacks' who (like at the OJ trial) may be getting their jollies a half century or so too late. From an objective viewpoint, McCain seems to be the most commanding candidate. Will the 'black' vote be a big enough factor to carry the federal election or will a Republican win be the final fatuitous chuckle?
Obama and his wife are not racist- they just tell white folks what it is really like being of color in this country (as if white people didn't really know- you just ignore it and think it will go away). You didn't want black people to learn to read or vote or hold professional jobs and you are scared to death that a black man will help poor and oppressed people get a hold on their lives and their futures, or maybe let the Haitians in. Face it- the population IS shifting- Heck, Latinos, Africans and immigrants from all over will outnumber whites very soon- what are you going to do then? But you created this racist mess in this country- deal with it.Tara be damned.
GREAT NEWS TO ALL OBAMA SUPORTERS.
HE HAS TOW NAMES FOR HIS V.P AND MICHELLE WANTS YOU GUYS TO PICK ONE.
1- OBAMA/FLAVER FLAV 2- OBAMA/DON KING
YES WE CON
I notice a real heavy racial under current here so I want to delve into that a little bit...Can I get a few people to just indulge me a little bit.
Just by this campaign, we know that there is a racial component on both sides. Do you think that either race will ever be ready to sit down and discuss race openly and honestly?
Personally I say NO because I dont think that whites will ever really be able to understand how racism affects a person on many levels. Also, I dont think blacks will ever HONESTLY agree that our lot in 2008 is not all the whites fault. We(blacks) play a huge role in it too. What do you think..
It is an interesting position we find ourselves in. Bush and his team have mucked up the works so bad that we have half the democrats, and half the independents, backing a sharp, articulate and inexperienced young man running against a sharp, abbrassive hard nosed woman, who I believe has the guts to make the tough calls on the real issues. I believe Obama will make a great president after another loop or two around the block.
The world is not a nice place. Iran, N. Korea and a dozen other countries would just love to have "dialogue" with him, knowing that while he goes through the UN process until his term expires, they can continue they're activities unabated. And bring "change" to Washington? Only the naive and ignorant buy that tag line. Can you say "Jimmie Carter"? A great human being, a lousy president.
I watched in shock just a few years ago when the good ol' US of A re-elected George W...and now, in slow motion, I'm watching the same train wreck.
God help us.
hi , I believe in Hillary , I think she will try and work hard for all of us people . I don't like obama he sounds to much like a lawyer ,, and I don't like his past of things I have read , also trying to convince us of what he can do and I don't believe him , If obama gets the nomination , my Husband and I both will vote for mccain and we are democrats and McCain he is a honerable man , and I think he will do his best for us also ,, when I listen to McCain he does make sense .I will vote for him ,,,,,,,,,,,,
I was taught that a government was supposed to represent the people. So how are fourty-three white male presidents a cross section of the American populous? Election after election a White man is granted the presidency and it was never about race. Now a Black man is finally in position to house the oval office and African-Americans are racist? By that reasoning you think about all the times you caste a "racist" vote by voting for a candidate who looks like you!
I can't vote for Hussein. I usually vote Democrat but come the fall I likely won't if the Democrats insist on putting forth an unelectable candidate.
Clinton supporters, a lot of whom are mothers, are truly confused... how can they tell their children 'not to lie' then support a candidate who can never tell the truth?
I had no idea racist thought and fear were so widely held in main-stream America. Just a brief perusal of the comments posted demonstrates that we have not learned, we have not matured, and we continue to oppress ourselves with the demon of shallow understanding. Every one of us is 98% the same. Differences come from the fear of accepting how much we truly loathe our own liberty.
Let's put race aside and think about how Clinton has been losing since day one. She started off running a strong campaign but has now resorted to scratching and clawing. I wouldn't vote for her just because she shows a lack of class by refusing to bow out gracefully. IT'S OVER!!
MCCAIN 2008 I THINK YOU SHOULD STOP TALKING LIKE A BABY, THIS THREE CANDIDATE ARE QUALIFIED TO GOVERN AMERICA, U'RE NOT! OBAMA HAS WORKED HIS WAY TO THE POINT OF RUNNING FOR THE HIGHEST POLITICAL OFFICE IN AMERICA. U TOO CAN THINK OF SUCH ASPIRATION AS A PATRIOTIC CITIZEN MOREOVER I DON'T THINK U KNOW BETTER THAN ALL THE POLITICAL STALWART IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WHO OKAYED HIS CANDIDACY;
Did you say it is Anti White Racism as being against White Racism or Racism against Whites? In every election so far the whites have been woting white presidential candidates and that's cool? Black people voting for a black (or at least half black or maybe half white or even half black half white) candidate is racism? Don't get it? And BTW, even the Snoop Dog would do a better job as a president than GWB. Even my neighbor's dog (she is really a bitch - just like my neighbor) would do a better job than GWB. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
If Hillary's wardrobe is all pantsuits, will she wear a tux to the inaugural ball? Bill already has a dress...it should be back from the cleaners. Hillary's experience must have placed her in the Oval office- so you mean she didn't know when Billary and Monica were "working".
A caucus is not a democratic process, but a cheap piece of theatre which does not remotely replace a primary. Considering this, do we really know who won? All I know is that CNN Christened Obama in early January, and has reported on a hard bias in his favor since, acting as if red state caucuses were actual votes. They aren't.
After that, who knows what'll happen? I'm voting for McCain if Hillary withdraws.
--Female, early 40's, highly educated, affluent, from a big swingable state.
PeGrande...
What a well thought out and comprehensive answer to McCain. McCain2008... I am looking forward to seeing what your response.
Posting comments, no matter how good the argument, won't change minds about who to vote for, but hopefully people are thinking about the issues that underlie this whole conversation.
I also have one question for you McCain2008... you gave a high five to this posting...
"Y'know, the Democrats only attract weirdos like blacks, Latinos, Jews, women, young people, and the elderly. Real Americans, that is, middle-aged Christian white men, are solid Republicans.
Posted by Mike | May 7, 2008 2:13 PM"
All these populations are "weirdos" and not "real Americans"? Really?
I see this is a ignorant, chauvinistic and racist comment... do you? And if you do see this as the truth, how can you justify righteously accusing all black voters of being racist, or even Obama and the Rev. Wright? Serious question, hoping for a non-insulting serious answer.
Barack is not a black man, he's a politician. Hillary is not a woman, she's a politician. The question is who will be the best leader. On excels in giving hope, and unity through open dialogue, the other offers tough, practicle solutions to real problems.
I want a doer, not a talker. Hillary has enough balls for both of them and I hope she fights until the last vote is tallied...because that's what I want to see in a president.
I don't know why some people kept on talking about the adultering of President Clinton. He had been forgiven by his wife and, everybody should respect that. Is there anyone in this world not committed a sin? No one is perfect. While we are in this flesh, we are going to sin and sin again. Some people are just not being caught in the act that's why, they have the guts to criticized others. God is the only one who can judge us because, He knows everyone's dirty laundry. I don't think Obama will win the General Election. He is a weak politician. His winning from the Primary Election comes from the backing of African-American, from new voters who might not vote in the General Election, and the Ellitist. His association with Reverend Wright will destroy him in the General Election. He said he has good judgment, 20 years of hearing his pastor, who is anti-American. He has been fed for 20 years of messages which is against America and white americans. He denounced his pastor now because, he wants to be the Democratic Presidential Nominee--- A politician. He kept talking about "Yes, we can change," but, I never heard anything specific what he is going to change. My whole family are Democrats and never voted Republican in our lives. If he becomes the Democratic Presidential Nominee, the whole family will vote for the Republican, who has the experience to protect this country.
After reading this posting to its current place it is apparent that the anti democratic mob is becoming hysterical.
Jamie, Apparently Drudge or realclearpolitics or some other such troglodyte propaganda mill must have linked to this article. That would explain the, uh, "quality" of discourse on this comments thread. Guaranteed most of these folks don't read the Atlantic (or anything else for that matter) on any sort of regular basis.
Such a double standard we have here in America. In our more than 200 year history, the white candidates always received 100% of the white vote and no one broadcast that on the news. It should be expected that Obama received high numbers from blacks just like whites do, futher more let a Hispanic or Asian run and the same will happen. LA has a mostly Hispanic population and the mayor is Hispanic, Hawaii has a mostly Asian population and the Senator is Asian. In America that is how we do it, so lets stop talkiong about the Blacks voting for Obama, you whoever you are do just the same.
obama is the best peace loving muslim ever. and michelle is the wnba player ever.
go obama
If Hillary doesn't win I'll have to agree with Monica L. who said: "I'm voting Republican...the Democrats left a bad taste in my mouth".
The Clintons have tried to court the African American voters back, but a majority are just paying attention to the fact that Obama is African American and so they are suppoting him.
breaking news.
OOOOOprah eat acow for lunch
breaking news Correction.
sorry our mistake it was not a cow she eat Bill Bichardson
You know what I am really getting sick of all this "BLACK VOTERS are the reason OBAMA is winning." You act like being BLACK was always a plus in this country all this time and history!!!
The fact that this man is the FIRST black man to make it this far let alone have a SHOT at the white house should speak volumes of his character. And your looking at someone who when they heard Clinton was running AUTOMATICALLY was GOING to vote for her just because I liked Bill. I didn't even think twice about voting for Obama simply because I heard the word CLINTON!!!
I am a young 25 year old mixed black man from hawaii, and I am VOTING for Obama because when I heard his SPEECH declaring he is running for the presidency I decided to vote for him. Not because of his color but because of WHAT I heard.
Everyone says he is all "IDEALS and SPEECH" but that is EXACTLY what got us a nation to call home; CIVIL RIGHTS; Independance from BRITTAN; and idea in itself is the VERY FOUNDATION of CHANGE wether it be deemed IMPOSSIBLE or NOT!!! To everyone that says he needs to be realistic you all have been voting all your lives and look where your leadership has led us as a COUNTRY. There can be NO CHANGE without an IDEA bottom line and if you think thats crazy you outta go back to the STONE AGE and reinvent the wheel WITHOUT USING an IDEA!!!
All these old people are shocked that the younger generations are voting for Obama. They have the nerve to tell us we are immature and not thinking this thru . They say we voting based off race and voting based off some FANCY SPEECH when they have voted for all of our most horrible past presidents. I think they need to ask themselves wether they are voting for their future or their childrens future? I think they've been voting for who they feel will BENEFIT THEM in the long run rather than their childrens future.
Clinton has "EXPERINECE" in what? Being a 2 term senator just like Obama? Being a presidents wife? Bottom line is it is NOT A PLUS to be a black man running in a Presidential race, Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson anyone? Just the fact alone that your running and your black is NOT gonna GURANTEE you the black vote because contray to what most people think, Black folks are gonna vote for people AFTER they THINK about it!!! We're just NOT gonna run out an say "Oh he's black I think I'll vote for him!!!"
Look thru the internet and see that people are voting for Hiliary simply because she is a "WOMAN" and that it's time to give woman a chance at the Oval Office!!! Which is fine as EVERYONE has the right to vote for a candidate for whatever reason they want!!!
So as far as him winning because he is black is a joke because if ANYTHING it should have been a NEGATIVE from the start based off all these rural votes having her winning by a margine simply because they are voting for a white woman. Its sad this has become a race/gender game and you see this in the results from the recent and upcoming areas in the Northwestern country.
Lets cut the BS and let's focus NOT on race going foward but unifing the demo party and making sure we unite against another 4 year bush term with mcain. You want to change your tune and say that Obama can't beat McCain, but at the beginning he wasn't even on the radar, you said he didn't have a CHANCE, but he has survived SABOTAUGE by that IDIOT Rev. Wright 2x, he has survived sabotauge with pics of his father and FALSE rumors being SPREAD on the WEB. Yet he still stands and ALMOST beats CLINTON in an area where she should have won with the CARDS she was playing!!!
How is that not a STRONG or ELECTABLE candidate to challange that old man come November? u tell me why we shouldn't VOTE for him if he's just all smoke and mirrors after surviving all that. THINK ABOUT that when all all the CLINTON supporters decide to DAMN us all and VOTE McCain just because your candidate lost and you can't see past race if she drops out.
It's sad to see people would vote for the WORST POSSIBLE candidate and ruin us another 4 years because of being sore losers instead of backing the DEMO NOMINEE whoever it may be and making a change to help better the lives of EVERYONE!!!
If Clinton wins or Obama wins we win as demos but more importantly as everyday people!!! I'd expect Obama supporters to back Clinton IF SHE WINS!!! But I will vote Obama 2008 and give us a change to put FRESH NEW IDEAS into office and NOT VOTE more of the same. Not just for our generation but my children and their children's future generation!!!
Let's all turn the IGNORANCE off and focus on beating all of the Republicans this November and not going thru the hell we have been going thru the past 8 years based off people voting bush back in. I just do NOT understand why Repubs would vote for more of the same but CRY when their son's get sent to Iraq, or when they are losing their homes.
You might as well have shipped your son's to war yourselves and sold your homes because you put Bush in office the first time, did NOT learn your lesson the 2nd time and put him in again, and have the NERVE to complain about the Economy, the War, and the crisses your Childrens generation faces when your LONG and GONE when YOU put these types of OLD, More of the same, lying PRESIDENTS into office. Repubs should keep their opinions to themselves and get off this board and let people with ANOTHER IDEA POST on here. Because we don't need your input anymore, we've lived 8 years of HELL based off what you THOUGHT and DECIDED.
You say Dems are idiots and crazy for voting for either of the two but it's intresting enough to post on these boards for a demo because your nominee is as boring and dry as listening to bush address the nation. Carry on and let the DEMOCRATS sort this out.
I am a mixed half black/white in the process of getting college educated man. I am a registered Democrat and have been one since the day I turned 18. I am now 25, and although I have been registered for some time I have never voted. I joined the Army right out of high school and served 15 months in Iraq because of the current president. After getting out of the Army I vowed to follow and participate in politics in this country, because until then I had no idea how much events in this spectrum effect every aspect of my life. Given that this is to be my first presidential election in which I will participate, I am having trouble with the current dynamics of the campaign. First, on the subject of race although I seem to be beating a dead horse here I will say it.....it is there, it is not going away, and we have to address it. Maybe it is time to ask why some white southern churches they think Obama is the antichrist, and ask those white voters who will not vote for him why his race matters to them. We may not like the answers, but that is the only way to attempt to bridge this gap. We must be careful though not to accept old and worn out answers such as "he/they are beneath us", or "it is ordained by god." I know people who know god very intimately, and they have never been told this by god. I myself never understood why race matters so much. I am nether black nor white, but the treatment I get from some people (especially a white girlfriend's parents) forces me to identify most with my black side. I can only hope someday people treat race as a state of being and not as something that can gain you advantages/disadvantages, or be seen as a liability. Race itself grants no special favors to anyone that were not created by men, the sooner people realize this the better we'll be.
There is speculation of a Democrat dream ticket. Would the VP be named "Billary"
Can't see voting for Snoop but, black people are now saying that just because white democratic candidates always had a "guarranteed" black vote in the past, well things have changed- Blacks are engaged in politics, economics, education and health issues in greater numbers than ever before. And just because they don't like Hillary doesn't mean they are voting anti white- They just don't like her and her lies and her lying partner.
Yo, KC...lay off the caffein brother. I love pretty words to, and I'd love to see him win, I'm just afraid he ain't got the backbone to pull the trigger when he has too. There is some sh*t you can't talk your way out of.
Let's focus on the beauty of what our nation's forefathers bequeathed us. The ability and freedom to aspire to better ourselves. We have the banquet table spread with a most sumptuous delicacy. There it sits before us. And yet we grovel and whine, gulping down mouthfuls of filth and feigning knowledge. It's not WHO we elect, it's WHO we are that matters more.
Michelle Obama is not an elitist. in order that she prove that she will be on flover of love III show every monday night. and she will compet agianst 20 other ugly women for flaver flav love interst. please do not farget to watch.
Jamie, are you a Yoga teacher?
TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT OBAMA
ITS HILLARY CLINTON OR McCain WILL BE OUR PRESIDENT.
bibihenna, dn't werry, I wnt fergot 2 wach
The rest of the world is right: Americans ARE dumb.
I want you all to vote for Hillary so that she can obliterate Iran, keep our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan for years to come, and ship the little remaning American jobs to Central America.
You intellectually challenged Americans are something else. Folks like Hillary Clinton and John McCain are playing you. McCain was honest about his stance from the beginning, and Hillary knew about Mark Penn's meeting with the Columbian government. Seriously, why else would she hire a FAT-CAT LOBBYIST to run her campaign? And let's not forget Bill received nearly 1 million bucks for a speech promoting CAFTA.
McCain is nothing but war addicted neo-con puppet who will continue Bush's disastrous policies. And Hillary is a closeted neo-con who will sit around and let her husband do all of the work, including signing CAFTA.
I don't expect a miracle from Obama, but at least he offers a fresh perspective.
It's so sad that in 2008, people are still falling for the oldest trick in the book, which is DIVIDE AND RULE.
America will go down, not because of Bush and his policies, but because of MASS STUPIDITY among the average idiot.
Is Hillary Clinton Lesvian?
A LITMUSTEST for racism.if you attend church and everybody's the same color you could very well be racist.to quote dr.king"sunday morning is the most racist time of the week"however when he mentioned this it was practically mandatory everyone be the same color.JESUS will not be mismanaged when we all face HIM i'am sure HE won't be only admitting jews.character,love,and charity breed good things.all those who are stuck on race be graceful enough not to infect others.some of uswant to get over the past.
looks like it's going to be McCain in nov.and Jan. I'm a democrate always have been but i will not vote for Obama , and i'm not a racist either.
Theres still alot to come out about Obama you just wait and see.
And i'm going to laugh while i pull the lever for McCain.
Nadoop, I want fresh in an apple or pears, I want balls on a president. Hillary has them, he don't.
Sorry I made a mistake. My question is: Is Hillary Clinton a lesbian ?
Thank you nadoop. Has anyone wondered why race relations are the way the are in this the great melting pot of the world? They are this way because those in power keep us fighting among ourselves instead of uniting and ousting those who have been doing this country harm for many years. This extends beyond race to religion, political beliefs, really anything people are willing to fight and die for.
Gretvi: Anti-white racism? I find your comment quite offensive since I'm from North Carolina, very Caucasian by your standards (although I don't define myself by color or race), an Ivy League-educated professional, and I voted for Obama, as did many of my colleagues, relatives, and neighbors who are also white. There are many forms of racism in this country, but anti-white racism isn't one I've encountered, even in the South.
Somebody asked how Obama could win if blacks were in the minority in a state like South Carolina even if he gets most of the black vote. Suppose the population is 30 percent black and 70 percent white.
Now suppose 90 percent of blacks vote for Obama and 60 percent of whites vote for Hillary.
The equations to find the number of votes for Obama and Hillary are:
.9 x 30 % + .4 x 70% = number of Obama votes = 55
and
.1 x 30 % + .6 x 70% = number of Hillary votes = 45
55+45 = 100
Note that if the percent of blacks in the state is greater than 30 percent (actually greater than 26 percent) Obama wins so long as 90 percent of blacks vote for him. This is probably the basis of the contention Obama would not be where he is if he were not black.
bibi, you need to get laid girl
Most of the anger that is exemplified in the comments on this board are towards Obama and his supporters. Here's why: white racists have always seen themselves as the "elitist" of the world. They don't won't a black president b/c of fear of loss of power. The are angry also because they know that even if all blacks in the U.S. voted for Obama, he still could not win without the minimum white vote, which he does have and they know they don't have a strong candidate in John McCain. They would prefer Hillary a "white" woman" over a black man.This is because at least Hillary would still be under some level of white control "her white husband". They could care less about Bill or Hillary. They dragged both of them through the mud. It is a fact as previously stated that Bill won only because of the vast majority of the black vote and only a few whites. White racists have always been in Power. They understand power and their rage and bitterness is because they are smart enough to know that a vast majority black vote and a few white votes is all Obama needs to secure the victory. It's the power of the black vote that angers them. With a split black vote any candidate might have a chance to win the electoin. But with the vast majority black vote. Obama will definitely win and no legal measures can stop it. They know the math. Thus, their rage.
Their only alternative is to try and scare the hell of the few white voters who support Obama and thus the smear.
What the fuck are you assholes talking about? Black people are only voting for Obama because he's black? They would vote for Snoop Dogg? For 1,black people don't really give a fuck about Obama being black. We didn't vote for Al Sharpton (who we know would favor us) because we knew he wasn't qualified to be the President.We're voting for Obama for the same reason white people are,because we beleive he would be a better president.If he was a Republican we wouldnt vote for him.If Obama was McCain and vice versa,we'd vote for McCain.
Secondly,black people make up the smallest percentage of the US population and have the highest number of felons or temporary felons who cant vote.So our vote isnt whats putting Obama ahead of Clinton.White people are,despite all of the racist who just refuse to vote for him because he's black.Imagine he was white,Clinton wouldn't have stood a chance.
Thirdly,there are alot more white people voting out of racism out there than black people.Statistics on every news channel show that about 70% of Clinton supporters would vote Republican than for Obama.They'd rather fuck the country off than see a black man as president.
Lastly,whoever made that Snoop Dogg comment is a fucking idiot.Before you said that stupid ass shit you should remember that white people voted for actor Ronald Reagan (Who,in the great Hollywood tradition,was involved in a huge cocaine scandal),Jesse "The Body" Ventura,The Terminator & lets not forget,the former President's retarted son who thinks he's a COWBOY. Get what I'm saying.Black people arent gonna vote for Snoop Dogg,but white people might just vote for Triple H or Spider-Man. Racist pussy.
Actually, Obama ROCKS! He will be a GREAT President.
Democrats just seem to miss the point of every presidential campaign. The people want to hear what the candidates intend to do if they are elected. It is also important to be able to believe what they are saying. Each election, the Dem's attempt to cast the current Republican as a villain who has destroyed the nation during his term in office. But they can't tell you what they are going to do to make things better. There are hard liners in both Repub and Dem camps that demand their extremeist philosophies be made into law. That is what keeps us devided. Dem's insist on taking away the RIGHT to keep and bear arms, and they want totally open borders. Republicans cater too much to the wealthy and want to eliminate abortion rights. A candidate in either party that speaks out against those extreme demands and takes the middle ground, will find the vast majority of Americans lining up in the middle with them and casting their votes for sanity.This would work for Any candidate. I would be proud to tell my daughters that I voted for a women candidate! I would also be proud to see an intelligent minority candidate take the white House. But I won't vote for them because they are female or minority, or WHITE. I will vote for them if they stand up and convince me that they want to end these divisions, and move forward. So far McCain is the closest thing to a centered candidate I can see.
Clinton doomed in the big cities. Obama was outspend in Indiana in that cities.
We are proud you, Hillary. Obama will not be as good as Bill Clinton as a president.
wait a minute rod, I'm trying to find my calculator
Ron Paul is still there. Why Hillary can not win, DNC leaders in tank with Obama.
grate:
Hillary has balls to do what? Destroy Iran? Keep us in the Eiddle East? What? Continuously lie about just about everything? Accept 800,000 from a Columbian government to promote a trade deal that will ship the rest of American jobs to foreign countries? Hiring lobbyists to run her campaign?
I don't see how every one can praise either democratic canidate. They are both liars. Every one knows Hillary lobbyists in your back pocket.has and will lie just like every other polititian. But Barack has said he doesn't accept anything from special interest groups. What the heck is Oprah? Do we need another Ronald Reagan in the white house? If the hollywood or teevision money is behind Barack then you can bet that someone there has an agenda they want to push through. It isn't any different than having the lobbyists in your back pocket. So you all can go on believing all this crap or open your eyes and tell all the canidates that you want the truth. Demand it and see what you get.
they all suck
Reading most of these comments makes me ashamed of America. People who still think Hillary has a chance and that Obama is muslim. They probably believe Hillary landed amidst sniper fire in Bosnia too. Any body that would vote for McCain instead of Obama (after he wins the party nomination) has no business calling themselves a Democrat. This is not democracy this is idiocy. No wonder Bush served two terms, he is a reflection of America's true face. God have mercy on us all.
We can all agree that some simple minded white Americans will vote for McCain because of Obama's race?
We can all agree that some simple minded black Americans will vote for Obama because of McCain's race?
We can all agree that their will be some simple minded Americans that will vote for Hillary based on her gender?
We can agree that there will be some simple minded Americans that will vote for McCain because he was in the military?
We can agree that some simple minded Americans will vote for Obama because they don't want Bill near the White House?
We can agree that some simple minded Americans will vote for McCain because they only vote Republican?
We can agree some simple minded people will only vote for Obama or Hillary because they are Democrats?
We can agree that some simple mind Americans will make this election about race or gender?
I'm just spit-balling here but how about we, as Americans, do something completely crazy and actually base our vote on who we think can do the best job. Everyone talks about how they want things to change. So I challenge you, America, to vote for the person that will change the country the way you want it to change. It's time that we stop letting the simple minded Americans dictate the fate of America.
youngdrodeau amen man, bottom line is when all these people vote for a rep if their demo candidate loses we're all screwed.
just goes back to what I was saying they think it's all fun and games voting for a rep but when their ass gets shipped off to war there gonna wonder how their little vote put them in the middle of a hotzone.
to all who will vote for McCain if Clinton, or Obama loses man I feel real sorry for you, we made that mistake with bush and we are paying for it literally with billions of dollars simply because the other guy had ANOTHER idea and u wanted to play it safe. You say you want a president with balls then grow some yourself and vote for someone who isn't gonna do the same shit the next four years as bush.
think about it but chances are you won't. im not concerned about obama's ability to win or clinton's for that matter, because i have NO FAITH in the stupid people of this country who will vote because of race or gender.
GO OBAMA. WHERE? TO ZOMONDA WHY?
BECAUSE YOU WILL GET 100% OF THE THE BLACK VOTE. AND NO McCain. FOR SURE YOU WILL BE KING OF ZOMONDA AND PLEASE TAKE REV WRIGHT WITH YOU.
REALLY I BE THE KING? YES THANK YOU YOU WILLCOME
I am not voting for Obama and his color has nothing to do with it. I don't care if he were orange, or yellow or blue. He simply doesn't have the experience, or backbone (that I've seen) to be president. I'll take Hillary, McCain if I have to. I know some will call me a racist, and I don't care. All I know is I just spent most of 4 years under a president with the same lack of experience as Obama and look what we got. If you think Hillary's eight years in the white house didn't teach her the rules of the game, and believe me, it is a very big, very serious game, than your kidding yourself. She is meaner than 3 Obama's, and I think we need something more than "dialogue" to bring about change.
Obama won Iowa, a state with virtually no black people.
Obama won WYOMING, a state with virtually no blacks.
Obama won Maine, a state with virtually no black people.
There's more....
And he can't win the general election? Please, give the real reasons why you're against him.
Obama would of never got to where he is today if he wasnt black. Thats the facts if you guys dont want to admit it. Just look at his revrend who just loves making racial comments about Whites and we just love his ''God damn America'' comment. Then Obama has the nerve to say he didnt know Wrights comments were racial or extreme. Hes been their for twenty years, how can he not know?!?!
We do not need another DYNASTY in the White House.
The Adams family was enough.
The Bush family raised energy prices by a factor of six, devalued the dollar by %50 and multiplied the debt and took us into three unnecessary wars. So they are too much. How much did Kuwait pay the US for getting their land back.
The Clintons already cost the tax payers enough lawyer time. We do not need an ADDAMS family at the white house.
Yo Nadoo,
Yes, balls to do what is necessary to protect your right to do what you want, say what you say and vote the way you want to vote. I've lived in a lot of countries, the last Nigeria, and I can tell you that Americans live in a "womb with a view". In the real world are really bad guys who want to kick our ass, and believe it or not our little country is about 3 sqaure meals away from being just like any tin pot 3rd world country.
Yes balls. Trust me, we'll need 'em.
But all are still missing the point. No matter who gets elected this November, nothing will change. NOTHING. And this country will continue to slide. The only way to get Washington to change anything is to get rid of the politicians that are so firmly entrenched. One person can't and wont change a thing, we have to change every face in Washington....
Disclaimer: I am a registered libertarian. I am white. I am 34 years old.
The racism and petty arguments being bandied about on this forum accomplish nothing. None of you are going to change anyone else's mind about their voting perogative, especially if utilizing childish debate tactics. My question is this: how can anyone actually think that McCain will not win against Obama? Regardless of who I will vote for, it just doesn't seem likely.
Arthur Blauvelt:
Oprah is not considered special interest. LOL!
Try harder!
for real nadoop and I agree. How is that NOT an electable candidate. Experrience really shouldn't be your only reason for NOT voting for him because Clinton & McCAin got plenty of experience in how things are run in more of the same fashion.
Takes a man of great courage to go against the fortified Washington an say we are CHANGING the WHOLE aspect of how u have run for 200+ years, you want experience go vote for McCain and watch as NOTHING changes. We dont need 3 MEAN Obama's in Clinton or a senator who has been named the Hothead senator with his finger over the "Start War" button. If thats the case and he wins because of your vote, i'd expect u to be on the front lines of the wars he creates with a big sign on your back saying "I Voted for Experience"
Bottom line.
Why does it matter if people are racist? We have allowed our country to be run by a violator of human and civil rights for going on 8 years now.Bush is nothing more than a war criminal and,has destroyed our economy proably beyond repair and the only people to benefit from it is him and the ones in bed with him.I can't believe you argue so much when,you care nothing about the corruption that this country has endured without question.If George Washington and the other founding fathers were alive today,Bush would of been blacklisted and never served in public office,and,I believe they would of turned him over to the people of Iraq for the war crimes he has committed aganist them.
Yes I have read opinions, pros and cons thru these trails but I can not help but note some significant absence of clear thinking from a bunch of pro Obama crowd. They fail to study the demographic composition of the country - 66% caucasian, 15% Hispanics, 12% African American and of course some sprinkles of other races in-between. Statistically speaking as well as logically speaking, the number does not bode well for Senator Obama come the General Election time. GE is a different ballgame entirely. During the Primary you have a significant grouping of races - it happens that the democrats bolds a sizeable amount of African American members while the Republican only have a scant number of these groups. On the other hand the Republican hold a decisive edge with the caucasians. Now do the math people, in the GE we will have these two parties, Dems and the Reps going after each other where everyone comes out to vote. Here my friends the number will play out in favor of the large majority. I quite honestly note that Mr. Obama is a wonderful guy, quite atticulate I might say but I can conviniently say that he will be a toasted meat come November after the Reps get through with him. Its gonna be 2000/2004 all over again. Only this time around the Dems will be nowhere near the White House and that will be for a good 16 years. John McCann has the potential to live a long time, his mother is still very much around at 95, very strong too. So whats to stop this guy from living to 100+ giving him a good 2 terms. He will definitely pick a younger man or woman for his vice, that too will comfortably breeze in after John finishes his terms. Meanwhile all the Dems will still be busy playing stupid games of sentiments and back bitting. I am for Mrs. Clinton since she seemed to be the most capable to beat John in November.
HELLO DERA REV WRIGHT. WHOS THIS. ITS OBAMA AND MICHELLE WHAT DO GUYS WANT? FIRST I AM SARRY FOR ALL THE THING I HAD TO SAY. O I KNOW THAT. 2ND PLEASE PACK. WHY? WE ARE GOING TO ZOMONDA. ZOMONDA WHY? I WILL BE KING IN ZOMONDA AND I DON'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT YOU. LET GO. OK
Barack Obama represents hope. That being said, you cannot feed your family on hope, and to think you can is really foolish....but the hope he represents is a stark contrast to the feelings people feel about The Republicans and even Hilary to a degree. Hilary supporters must face the facts: people do not trust your girl. She has repeatedly expressed her willingness to do whatever it takes to win this election. While that does demonstrate that she is a fighter, it also makes people look at her as a crazed power hungry politician. And let's not even get into her Iran statements. The Republicans want more of the same and no one wants that. The thing this ultimately comes down to is change. No one really knows what that change will be, which has prompted people to ask if change for the sake of change is a good thing. Let me ask them this, keeping a bad thing going because of fear of change a good thing?
bob:
how sad that after 7 YEARS of lies, lies, and more lies, you still believe the monster is under your bed waiting to bite you.
what a shame.
oops I misspelled Hillary. my bad
KC..well said. I did my time on the front line, and it wasen't here. We need a serious pair of clanggers to make sure it stays over there. What will Obama do with Iran on nuclear weapons, arming and training the insurgents, etc., etc., etc. I pray "dialogue" works and you should too, but something says it won't.
Its a shame a real shame it has come to his. Is my bet that the mighty USA will get McCain as its next president. America as a nation is about mmm 20 year from what we are seeing in the Demo party. Noble ideas, a woman president and a african american with ISLAMIC desent as a president. YES Mr B is the smartest candidate i have seen since prehaps Al G. In the end USA is a gun totting nation that is male dominated and highly nationalistic and focused on big industry regardless of "green" factors. Thats the American dream.
Unity of all, Love one another as you love yourself a universal law.
Change, the coming of differences for the better of all.
Believe in Unity and Change brings hope in tommorrow.
Ebenezer John:
Your analysis is half-baked. obama beat clinton in many predominately white states. Clinton, a WHITE WOMAN, is behind a BLACK MAN.
The Republicans want Clinton because she has more baggage and will be easier to beat.
Don't you see how Fox News favors Hillary while hating Obama?
It's utterly stupid to claim Obama can't win because of america's racial democraphic when 1. he's beating a WHITE woman and 2. Mccain is hated by many conservatives.
Nadoop,
get out into the real world...and don't watch it on the travel channel, get your butt out to Malaysia, Indonesia, Nigeria, Egypt, Colombia...you pick the region and country. Bush has helped the world hate us, but we were hated before that, he just made it easier. If you don't get it, that's OK. You know that quote about poeple being out all night doing dirty sh*t so you can sleep with lots of isolationist views of peace in your head? It's true.
This goes far beyond balls, the problem with america is we are in everyones buisness, u want to completey change the war, lets get the hell out of ALL COUNTRY's and focus on ourselves.
The bottom line is that we became a super power by not INTERFIERING with other nations buisness and that is the advice Washington gave before he left office.
We was our own independant nation, building our roads, farming our land, and when we started importing and meddling with everyone's buisness thats how we got to where we went.
We don't need a president who has balls of steel to be able to go over to another country to kick their ass cuz quite frankly we are losing and we've had bush with the ego and balls to take on the middle east on more than one front.
So toushe Reality Checker because your way hasn't worked for 8 years and we are STILL fighting, and im pretty sure no one is gonna detonate a nuke because jsut 4 being set off on this planet will kill us all globally. now there may be someone crazy enough to do so and chances are kicking down the door of each nation with a nuke and saying "disarm" is only going to escalate the issue.
Lets get the hell out and stop the free trade bs and make "Made in America" mean something again without being the import queen of this entire world. Check that reality with all due respect.
bibhenna:
All I can say is that you are so incredibly uneducated it hurts to read what you have typed. It's "Hussein." Not whatever made up word you wrote. It's "Obama." Not Abama. You say that oprah is a fat cow, then you say blacks are the ones being racist. Would you like to take a minute to appreciate the irony of the situation? People like you are what is destroying america. Get an education before you attempt to involve yourself in something that is and always will be way beyond your comprehension.
I think you should change that earlier post from "They would vote for Snoop Dog if he was running" to " They would vote for Will Smith if he was running" That is more plausible.
Republican or Democrat, Black or White, Man or Woman, we all make up the melting pot that is today's America. The legacy left to us by the framers of our constitution is that we have the power, ultimately, to shape our government and thereby our future. For too long now, we've sat idly by, content to let the "system" run things with little to no input from the people. As a nation, we face challenges today bigger than any generation before us: a staggering deficit, drastic climate change, and an emerging global economy. To face these challenges, there must be REAL change, not election gimmicks, not mud-slinging, not politics as usual. This is the time when we must find the common ground in each other. This is the time when we must come together as a people, highlighting all that we share and embracing our differences as the very stuff which has made America great from its earliest days. Our next President must embody all of this. I am a 42 yr old, white, upper class, male and a registered republican. Yet I believe B. Obama is our greatest hope. He has demonstrated integrity, intelligence, common sense, consistency, and a devotion to a greater vision of the true American Dream. He has the unique ability to see all sides of a problem with less regard to party line than the betterment of the human condition. The evidence lies in his political career, his personal life, and most recently in the poise with which he has run his campaign. I do not know if one man can still make a difference in a system that has been so compromised and corrupt. But if there is one who can, I believe that he has arrived.
DEAR JOHN EBENEZER YOU ARE SO RIGHT.THANK YOU
bob:
i suggest you practice what you preach and take your ass to iraq and go fight. the army is so desperate, it doesn't matter how old you are, they'll accept you.
go fight for the rich to get richer, you silly human.
DEAR ALEX YOU ARE SO "WRIGHT"
THANK YOU
KC,
Your right. I see the light. We should go back to being an aggrarian economy in a global market and not try to influence outcomes in a very, very tough world. It will all be nice and peaceful if we just stay out of other countries business...and then someone flies a plane into a building. Welcome to the real world.
I didn't vote for that moron GW, and I sure as hell want us out of Iraq, and yes, I've bled my fair share for this insane country. But like it or not, we damn well be ready to fight for whats ours, or it won't be our very long. Peace is a relative term. Deal with it.
a few hours ago, i was so pissed off by these comments, that i prepared my own hateful response in retaliation. but for some reason, it didn't post. now, i'm just going to buy a gun and wait for the race war, and see how many i can take out before reloading
ALEX ALL THE PEOPLE LIKE ME THAT LOVE THIS COUNTRY VOTED FOR CLINTON AND WE WILL VOTE FOR MR McCAIN IN GE. I KNOW YOU ARE ONE OF THE 90% THAT VOTE BY RACE AND ONLY RACE NOT WHATS GOOD FOR ALL THE PEOPLE AND FOR OUR COUNTRY.
No, seriously, does anyone here really think that it is going to matter who gets in???? One person cannot do anything, especially the Pres. he has to answer to so many others who are really in control of things...he is the front man.... I don't like any of the candidates...I wish Ron Paul would have made it....He spoke the truth, he told us (the only one that told us) that we were in for a serious recession and look where we are now....He had great ideas and we squashed him out early....I have no respect or sympathy for the American people...and yes, I was born in Fla. so my vote won't even count!!!! How is that for fairness...2 Huge states, Fla. and Mich. and they aren't even allowing their votes to count !!!
Nadoop,
I've done my time and my kid nephew just got back from his "extended" engagement in Tikrit with two purple hearts and a bronze star. Neither of us wanted him to go, just like I didn't want to go, but we went. Which, I am guessing, is more than you can ever say. War sucks kiddo, and GW getting us into this one sucks even more, but right or wrong, we earned our seat at the table. What have you done?
No one can take what is ours reality checker. I doubt under any circumstances that Americans would let someone come in here and take what is ours. There is no threat of losing anything we have now. All great republics are destroyed from within before they are destroyed from without. Maybe we have worried about what has been going on outside our country for so long that the problems inside the country are beyond repair unless drastic measures are taken.
I'm with you Judianne. Ron Paul '12.
Yo Angry...leave the gun, use tomatoes. It's funner to watch when they hit and cheaper than bullets.
YES WE WILL YES WE WILL YES WE WILL. GOD BE WITH YOU HILLARY FIGHT PLEASE FIGHT FOR USA.
For yall information,we wouldn't vote for Snoop Dogg or Will Smith! Obama has white in him also.The Clintons were loved more by blacks than alot of the other races.U are the one that sounds like u are trying to use the race card.Don't hate on the man cause he's winning.White people are voting for him too but they claim it's more of the educated ones that are so I guess that's why u don't like him cause u are not educated.You are the redneck kind that wouldn't vote for him no matter what.Who cares about people that aren't liking him cause the man is mix,there are black people out there that don't like whites either so you and them are very much even on that.
i've been keeping track of the caucus of the democratic presidential candidate, as i read about the comment of sen. obama regarding his rival about her style that it is the works of the washington and he will bring changes in the governance but he will have a hard time implementing new changes in washington, lets face it, he have to undergo a lot of conferences in congress and senate for him to implement new governance,,he is but only one man & further does his experience enough to lead the country? there are lots of politician who wants change but one must face reality, although he leads in popular votes but can he really stand up for his opponent? ask yourself, although he and his family epitomize the family but you can say clinton the former first lady is the great example when their family became the center of scandal in the country. she had a regal and great dignity to wheather all that controversy and she stood by her husband. can obama do that? if he is face with that situaion?
I'm voting for Obama cause I think he's cute
the ugly face of racism
I believe it is very possible for Obama to beat McCain. Although McCain polls well against both Clinton and Obama, those same pollsters concede that people overwhelmingly favor a Dem in the White House after the fiasco called "W".
McCain, once a fiesty Senator who was willing to stand by his own personal convictions and reach out to Democrats has learned he has no shot at the presidency without catering to members of his own party, regardless of whether or not he agreed with their views. He has made some enormous accomplishments as a senator, but he has now sold out to the political machine to further his own political ambitions.
Likewise, people would be foolish to vote McCain. With a Democratically controlled legislature McCain will be a lame duck president.
Good luck to McCain, but Dem's in 2008!
You go Oodles, I'm with you girl...he's the chicken to my lickin
Shame on you Oodels!
My roommate is black, and until all of the most progressive candidates dropped from the ticket, he was uninterested in Obama. I am white, and the first push I heard for Obama was from a white 40-something friend in Florida.
Hillary's past reliable support for Bush's policies in Iraq led me to oppose her as soon as I heard she was running. The two American-based news purveyors I have drawn my information from, Assyrian International News Agency (AINA.org--strongly conservative) and Zenda Magazine (Zendamagazine.com) provide a western-oriented pro-Iraqi approach to Iraq which are no less available to a New York senator's staff than to a California database programmer.
My support for Obama was shakey until a friend, concerned about claims of anti-Semitism and racism, requested that I research these claims against Obama. Careful research accompanied by examination of his speeches, and a comparison of the sermons of Rev. Wright with those of Rev. Fallwell led me to a strong support for Obama.
I'll put it simply. As far as I can tell, Obama has the guts to say what the party wants to keep silent. He is the ONLY candidate who has spoken up for the targeted Iraqi minorities. He is the only candidate whose opposition to the Iraqi Occupation appears genuine. He is the only candidate to confront anti-Semitism, xenophobia, and homophobia in the African American community.
I'm completely uninterested in his skin color, and my roommate is less interested than I am. I am won over by his rejection of the now classical position of the Democratic party that by offering some sub-group (however oppressed) some sort of support, the party might ensure votes from that sub-group. My vote is NOT for sale. It is freely given to the candidate whom I believe will best serve AMERICA (and not just my sub-group).
For the record, I am a college-educated ex-blue collar (now white-collar) white male nearing 55, my roommate is black and a self-educated blue-collar worker.
Be Well, Bob Griffin
I have read a lot of these post's and some of them are great as they say it like it is, and a lot of them show a racial attitude. I am a breed, half french and half native american. Someone was complaining about the Dems letting people in that pop seven or so babies at our expense. Well my ancestors on my mothers side delt with every race that is here when they got here. This is america folks and these people coming here have the right to a better life just like your ancestors did back in the days of my great grandfathers and their grandfathers. Yes they need to pay taxes and in time become citizens but they have a right to that oppertunity just like everyone else. We ar all GOD's children no matter what your race, gender, relgious beliefs or what ever else you want to say.. Racisim sucks.. I walked with Dr. Martin Luther King and I am proud of that and that I am an American...
GOD Bless America...
GO OBAMA 08
"Such a double standard we have here in America. In our more than 200 year history, the white candidates always received 100% of the white vote..."
Okay.... a reality check. 100% of Whites, Blacks and Hispanics voted for a white man in all of those elections because there were only White men running!!!!!!!!!
I remember when a Black Congresswoman from Texas ran for President in 1968 - Shirley Chisolm. She was qualified and got a lot of support. But, she was a woman and a democrat. Obama Hussein and Billary are not qualified.
The first Black President will be a Republican. The first woman President will be a Republican.
I will vote for a woman or a Black who is qulaified... but not cmmunist.... ooppss, I mean socialist. Hey!! Aren't they the same thing.
Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Elizabeth Dole, Colin Powell, Condi Rice...... they are viable candidates. I am a white man and I would vote for any of them.
BobG,
You think too much. It's OK to say "I'm voting for Obama".
What really worries me is if reading this is only a taste of what racist white ameriica is like, i'd hate to see the more racist people who are more then willing to kill Obama.
Boy it makes me wish i I could vote for someone else. Eugene Debs for president!
It's not about peace but we can't take on the whole world.
All im really hearing from u Reality is that peace is a dream and an ideal, when im just a willing to fight for this country as much as you are or the next person, when people come in and try to tell us what to do, or attack us.
But when u got all of the countries basically saying get out of our country and want to kill us based off their beliefs or whatever the reason why not just leave? Shit we left Vietnam after there was no hope to win right? Your basically saying fight EVERYONE who is willing to take what is ours. And im a fool think leaving is smart.
I guess all that natural oil and gold or whatever else is in the Middle East belongs to Americans which lets not kid ourselves is why we really went over there. And oil prices is still up so how does that work? I'm glad to hear u didn't vote for that idiot Bush. I think thats the smartest and most posivite things ive read off this board yet.
Cuz voting for McCain is the same as 2000 and 2004 if clinton loses is what we dont need. Dismissing Obama based of experience or balls alone is the wrong road to travel in my opinion. And not voting for someone because they don't have the mentality to fight anyone who messes with us isn't smart in my opinion without talking to these crazy leaders and saying "look what is the problem and how can we fix this BS?"
I thought getting along or "Peace is a relative term." We need to get along globally as u mentioned to "affect the outcomes of currency, diplomacy, etc...?" Didn't u say peace is a relative term. So the same should apply to co-existing right?
Let me put it like this, what if England stepped foot in our country an said you need to set your goverment up as a monarchy and we will fight and kill you all if you don't.
You seem to be all about fighting for what's yours which is the same as what all these other countries are doing that got a problem with us. No wonder their pissed when Big Brother America steps in to kick ass and tell them how its going down.
So whats the smartest solution Reality? fight them all till we win, vote McCain then cuz he's down for 100 Years of fighting or until we WIN.
We'll be sure to send u the bill, but getting out of all countries and rebuilding america with the billions we're spending to "play nice" and "have influence" in global issue as u put it is crazy and unrealistic.
We can agree to disagree bud, I respect your opinion, but just as u say "peace" is silly so is fighting for what's our with no plan whatsoever is just as silly and is just as much a relative term. We already are trying your way and look where we are at bud....
That is "OUR" reality Reality Check, yours and mine, so deal with that while im dealing with peace being a relative term. Take care.
I think that Hillary and Colin Powell...make either Pres or VP would be the dream ticket. The only thing better is mustard.
Personally, I don't care if Obama is red, black, white, green or purple. He's inexperienced and does not have what it takes to be president. Pretty speeches don't cut it: there's nothing of substance.
And don't forget the questionable friendships with not just the Rev. Wright, but Resko and Ayers as well. Yes. It really does matter who you associate with.
And on a personal, visceral level: don't get me started on Obama smugness and arrogance. That irritating smirk... just like our current "leader". Pretending to be all about change when it's just more of the same crap in a different package. Beautiful icing on a rotten cake.
I'll consider voting for McCain after I do some reading and learn more about him. If I don't like what I find out, I won't vote for either of them. No more of this "voting for the lesser of two evils".
KC,
You really wore them finger tips out on that one, but well said. I think we're both right. If we could only get a candidate to win who saw and acted on both views, with conviction...that's a dream I'm holding on to.
Prediction ----
McCain/Rice destroys Obama/(whoever) in November.
The dumbassocrats create such a mess at their convention that the country turns against them and the Republicans regain a majority. McCain and the Republicans realize their mistakes and will be in control for many years.
There are two conspiracies in play here:
The American people were tired of the do-nothing Republicans when they had control. That is why they lost power. The press tells you what they think, but the majority of the US is conservative.
The Klinton machine will never allow Obama to be elected in '08. If he is, she cannot run in '12. The reason Kerry lost in '04 was a little video that came out of hollywood right before the election. Had he won in '04, Billary would not be running now. The Klintons are dirty, period.
Everyone is missing another point. McCain is the one who will reach across the aisle to work with the other side. This is not idle talk, this is his record. Though it made him a target of the conservatives, he joined the gang of 14, to tear down the gridlock and act on judicial nominees. Where was Obama? He kept far away from this effort, and did nothing to reach out to work across the aisle with the other side. A person's friends and actions tell a lot more about him than any words. Obama is a very polished pol, but the facts of his life are he was educated in a Madrasa, and attended church led by an anti American racist. To say that he wasn't aware that Wright was like this? Well it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck!
As a professional white male, BHO offers me no hope, only the promise of reverse discrimination, which is already running rampant in corporate America. To me, in politics as in the corporate world, the rewards should be given to those who earn it by hard work and years of sweat. Even though I am not thrilled with McCain, he certainly gave more than any other candidate who ran this year. Barack has not done anything positive of note except giving great speeches. What landmark legislation did he introduce. What unique concept has he come up with. He is too much style, and shows no substance.
Tom, the Democrats didn't attract this weirdo religious Jew, a Masters Degreed Engineer. I am a solid Republican vote, and I resent being called a weirdo. And I will work with all my being to enlist other Jews to vote for McCain as well, even though he is not conservative enough for me. Sorry to burst your bubble.
I can't help but LOL!!!! The more I read these blogs! The more I think we are finished as a people as a nation... Oh well, I'll sit back and watch
Bibihenna needs to learn how to spell cause he's making white people look very bad.How can you trash talk a man when you can't spell simple words?That is so sad.You must love something about Flavor for you to be watching his show.Sorry he's not homosexual so pick another man to watch!You are one dumb ass REDNECK.
Cranky,
it's always been about a sht samwich or a sht samwich with cheese...
and about not voting, OH NO. Hell, the electoral college has already picked the winner before I can pull the lever.
It's a crazy system...all you can do is pray from the sidelines. Am I still cranky?
Agreed Reality, I just hope I live long enough to see a President whoever it is kick down the doors and guide this country to being on track.
Here's to you an me both living to see that day. And yea my fingers are hurtin like hell lol. you had some pretty good arguments.
bob:
i stay here and fight against government oppression because that's my stance, and i'll NEVER stop fighting. you, on the other hand, need to go to iraq and NEVER stop fighting if that's what you truly believe in.
Well spoken McCainFan and Mazel Tov to you. :)
Educated up-scale Obama folks should have no trouble following this arithmetic. Suppose that in a state like South Carolina we want to find the percent black population that would give Obama and Hillary equal numbers of votes. Assume that 90 percent of blacks vote for Obama and 60 percent of whites vote for Hillary.
Let y = the unknown percent black population, and 100 - y = the percent white population (assume the entire population is whites and blacks).
Let the total votes in our sample be 100.
Obama votes = Hillary votes.
The equation is:
.9 y + .4 (100-y) = .1 y + .6 (100-y)
.9 y + 40 - .4 y = .1 y + 60 -.6 y
.5 y + 40 = -.5 y + 60
y = 60 - 40 = 20 percent
With a 20 percent black population Obama and Hillary will tie. If the black population exceeds 20 percent, Obama will win.
Kevin,
Don't forget that these are the same maroons that relected GW...hope you have a nice seat, a cold beer and some valium...I think we'll need all 3.
McCain/Rice in '08.
Rice/anyone Hispanic in '12/'16
Welfare and Social programs are ended. Blacks learn to support themselves and become Republicans like the Hispanics.
The Democrat Partic - there is nothing 'democratic' about it - is dead by 2020.
Obama will lose because he is inexperienced, he/his wife are elitists and racists, Wright/Ayers friendships, and.... he happens to be lack.
Billary will lose because she is dirty. You know she is lying because her lips are moving. She is also inexperienced, socialist/communist, and .... happens to be a woman.
Condi Rice is a Black Woman and would win. It is not racisim or sexism. It is being honest, trustworty and experienced.
I do not trust McCain as a Republican because he is liberal-leaning. But, he is honest about it.
The only way that McCain loses is if he chooses Lieberman as his running mate.
I Agree with Cranky
Look at australia and how our fucked up prime minister is doing. The Great Kevin 07. hahah what a joke. The just admitted to the aboriginals that the govt was sorry for all their hardship, now the govt federal govt is facing civil action work over 4 BILLION dollars. WTF. This is when our social welfare system gives the abroginal people money all the time. They get paid to go to school, they get paid more to go to uni and all their expences are taken care of. WFT Normal people get taxed up to 48% if u ear over 100,000 a year to pay these scumbags. Guess what they are black. Obama as smart as he may be should not become a president. Can u guys see him in a Hummer limo with 22 inch chrome rims and 50cent playing as he visits the next G8 leaders summit.. i can. America has to be strong, your Australia's big brother. More defense spending to keep terror out, Obama will paint a target on every americans head. He's a muslim who quit being a muslim now hes a pariah. WORSE than a non believer, a TURNCOAT Please America vote smart. Anyone but Obama
Nadoop,
No worries, there will always be someone out there doing what needs to be done so you can stay here and fight the crazy, insane corrupt system that allows you to fight it...it's a wild world huh?
Why Hillary Can't Win: She Doesn't Have a Wang
GO! Hillary, DO not give up! Outspent is not outsmarted! Calculated talk is easy, Obama. The closest thing I have heard Hill say to approach 'your' rhetoric is that she will WORK HER HEART OUT FOR AMERICA. And based on her determination and service in the US and NY, I believe it. Don't stop believing, USA, do not be sweet talked by Obama. Besides how the HECK does he think he will be able to out-talk, and out-spend McCain (quite possibly a GWBush clone/crone) even if BO is nominated.. IFFF! The R's are waiting for an easy win if (again IFFF) B.O. ekes by the nomination. Sorry to hear, Oh yeah remember the "sleight of hand" election in 2004. What did we all do, lay down and take it!! If this happens again cause of Fla, etc. delegates why even hold an election? WHO are we, the Walking brain Dead? Obama must NOT become president perhaps until Hillary cleans up the GWB mess. It might take her 4 years, maybe 8 years, it would take BO a lifetime, if even achievable at all.
Are you serious?
"Can u guys see him in a Hummer limo with 22 inch chrome rims and 50cent playing as he visits the next G8 leaders summit"?
Dude, get the Aussie govt. to pay YOU to go to school.
If Obama is supposed to be such a uniter, how come we are more divided than ever. He does not represent the black people of the United States, nor the educated white people of the U.S., he represents a group of crooks that are using him and the pawns that are voting for him to take over this country for their own purposes. He is by birth a muslim and NOTHING can change that. He has no character except to smoke crack and engage in down low behavior as recently as 1999. He is deceitful and lacks any kind of values except to further his own ego. It is big money that has bought the votes for him. There are some smart thinking blacks who have abandoned him, and I think even Oprah has seen him for what he really is at this point in time. Black people, young people, educated people examine this man and you will find him lacking in every way and is by no means capable of being president. He will only be a puppet for the puppeteers who are buying this election for him. He is weak and is unfaithful to his wife with other men and is lieing about it. I have nothing against homosexuals...but I do think that being on the down low is the worst form of infidelity because it is putting his wife at high risk of hiv. Please people, before it is too late, if he gets elected, I have to assume that he is the anti-Christ because I cannot imagine any other way that an unqualified, philandering, drug-using, arrogant creep of a human being could possibly get elected. Black man? I don't think so...he is a devil. Certainly Colin Powell or Bill Cosby he is not.
Yo mamma, yes she does.
I am a black woman who lives outside the USA. I love America and have been following the 2008 presidential election.
I can see that racism is still very vibrant in the USA. Persons think that Obama will not win the presidency because he is black and as a result Clinton would have a better chance against McCain. But do Americans want the country to continue on the path that it is presently on? If McCain wins it will be a continuation of what President Bush has left. America needs a change. The war in Iraq is WRONG. Many innocent lives have been lost. A CHANGE is NEEDED. Only a Democrat can do that.
Choosing a candidate for president should never be about skin color or sex, it is the candidate that one honestly believe will make a difference.
Hope the best candidate will win.
Sorry to break it to you Liz, but it's over. BO, as you call him, will receive the nomination.
McCainFan:
Explain how he's an Rev. Wright is an anti-American racist? The folks at Fox News promoted those soundbites because they know intellectually-challenged people like yourself would fall into it. In fact, people like you give them pleasure
Rev. Wright was quoting a WHITE guy when he said God Damn America. And he made it clear he was referring to the American government, WHO, by the way, have done some great evil.
He has served in this country, while many who make the rules just send others off to die in the name of profit.
He has served his community.
He advocate truth and reconciliation, while his enemies advocate DIVIDE AND RULE.
Now, it's your turn.
Amanda,
Girl, you gotta put down that crack pipe. The anti-Christ? And put down that bible too...when you mix it with crack all kinds of crazy stuff come outta yo mouf.
D Bennet,
The "best" candidate won 3 years ago. Here we go again.
LMAO Amanda your an idiot but god bless you lmao... You are truly special.
Liz:
Sorry to burst your little bubbles, but outspent is not the reason why Hillary is kicking and scratching right now. She just sucks. And many American Dems, and even some Repubicans and Democrats, see that. Hence why she is trailing behind. Ooopsie!
Hillary doesn't care about you, because if she did, she would have quit a while ago. Ya see, in American politics, the loser must bow out for the SAKE of the people he/she represents. But, because she wants to get more lobbyists money, and because Bill want that third term he's been fighting for since 2000, she will do whatever is in her power to get the nomination, even if it means keeping the Democrats divided.
Huckabee was doing quite well, but did he not bow out and back McCain for the sake of their party? Right, I thougth so!
Jinn,
Your truly special to honey
Folks -
I think that Obama is the left's version of the "teflon-president" of the 80's, the very, very nice Ronald Reagan. Fox News, close it down until 2030. The next 25 years belongs the left.
everybody throwing numbers and statistics and percentages in the air trying to make themselves seem smarter than the next commentator and dont none of you see nothing but black and white while you all argue over black and white the color thats affecting all of us is a clear liquid with a brown reddish tent called gas and its high as hell dam who wins get this dam gas down before bikes become more popular and you all can argue all you want dont nobody got control but GOD so take that to the polls
yo mama,
A 'wang' has nothing to do with being elected. Many governors, senators, representatives, mayors, etc. in the USA are women. My gosh, even Hillary was elected.
The problem is the reasons some people are elected.
Billary klinton was elected in NY.... where she never lived.... because the women and blacks voted for her. What has she done for them?
Now, let's look at some others like Carolyn Mosely-Braun... A Black Woman Democrat who was elected because of her race and was as dumb, racisit and crroked as they come. There are many examples of Blacks elected from Black majority areas who go on to being disgusting in office and get re-elected. There are also as many examples in the Whites.... look up Rostenkowski.
The point is that Democrats elect idiots and criminals and then re-elect them. Republicans vote politicians out if they do a bad job. It is called morals.... Republicans have them.
In 1974, a young William Jefferson Clinton, running for Congress, said "Any President who lies to the American people should resign." In 1997, when asked about that, he said it was a different time.... meaning it didn't apply to him.
In 1960, JFK was elected because dead people voted in Texas (LBJ) and Chicago (Daley). Nixon could have pulled a Gore but did not, that was politics. That was the closest election and dead people decided it.
The Democrats have no morals or ethics. Obama and Billary are perfect Democrats.
McCain is a Liberal-Republican. He will be elected.
Hillary finished? Nah, her supporters will stay living in denial until Hillary herself says it's over. Their judgment is clouded because Hillary has deluded them into thinking that the super delegate fairy is coming overnight to save the day.
LobbyDelegates.com Visits Swell to Sway Pivotal Super Delegates
The votes of Democratic Party Super Delegates will now decide the Presidential nomination, as neither candidate gained enough pledged delegates from the Indiana and North Carolina primaries on Tuesday to win outright, and with too few available in the remaining contests to wrap-up the race either.
With a third of the nearly 800 Super Delegates still uncommitted, growing numbers of ordinary citizens are visiting www.LobbyDelegates.com to persuade these top Party officials to back Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton. Website hits swelled 400% over the past two days as grassroots Democrats realize the potent position of Super Delegates. Even though Super Delegates can vote as they please, most are elected officials who can’t just ignore constituent opinion.
LobbyDelegates.com is still the only web portal enabling rank-and-file Democrats to lobby Super Delegates. With a persuasive pitch and a few clicks, online lobbyists can reach all their state’s Super Delegates -- by FREE email or printed letters, or by fax with a $5 donation to cover costs.
The independent website was made possible by the nonprofit StateDemocracy Foundation, which also oversees www.StateDemocracy.org, a free website dedicated to delivering democracy to your desktop by connecting citizens to their lawmakers.
LobbyDelegates.com User Profile
66% Lobbying for Obama 34% Lobbying for Clinton
44% Lobbying by email 31% Lobbying by letters 25% Lobbying by fax
States with the Most Users 11% Texas 10% California
Referring Sources 36% via direct path 12% via search engines 3% via Barack Obama website 1% via Hillary Clinton website 48% via other online referrals (overwhelming from Blogs)
David,
I'm so proud of you I could just sheet!
Congrats on being a republican, your GW has done a great job...That moron couldn't hit his arse with both hand in the dark. What a legacy.
No one with more than 2 braincells would vote for a republican. Almost 50 years ago the outgoing republican president warned us about the very situation we are in now. I support Obama and will vote for HRC if she is nominated. Stop the B.S. about jumping ship if your candidate does not win. Bunch of crybabies.
Where is Howard Dean when we need him?
I've been reading all of these comments, pro and con - and very few of them are worth considering, in my opinion. Yes, it's true that the media had been giving Obama a free ride, every newsperson I heard had nothing but praise for him and nothing but the opposite for Clinton - especially MSNBC, Obama has run a masterful campaign with eloquent speeches and a tremendous team across the country raising money from all and sundry, which placed him a very powerful position to dominate the contest. Neither he nor Clinton have a "pure" record - both have been caught out in untruths or mistatements, but the thing that concerns me is that as much as we know about Clinton, we know very little about Obama and in particular, despite his rhetoric, what he could really accomplish or even try to accomplish if he were elected President - he is not specific in many instances, and it seems to me that Clinton is more specific. I have voted both Republican and Democrat since I began first was eligible to cast a vote. Right now I am very undecided who I shall vote for and perhaps not at all?
I dont know what to say, after reading this thread I realize that people could actually still judge people in america on race, sex, culture. America actually stood out from other countries because of our diversities, and now the we are making the statement that race and sex does matter still in this country. I was a Mccain supporter. . . . into i actually took the time to listen to Obama. How can obama be a racist when his mom is white and he was raised by his white grandparents? Why does it matter who you associate with in the past to determine you are as a person. For example, Catholics preist go to jail because he molested a kid . . . .do we arrest everyone that attended that church because they looked up to this person? When you go to church, you really just go there for social status. O iam a christian, O Iam a buddhist, and etc. But there is a BIG difference between church and state in which this country was founded in the first place. You could drop bombs on kids like George Bush and go to church and be consider a Christian. Its funny Because people first agrue that Obama was a muslim and he swore on the Koran, Now its his CHRISTIAN preacher who they are attacking. People what else are you going to throw at this guy? IS he muslim or christian???? MAKE UP YOUR DAMN MIND!! But we cant say that its racist that majority of the black votes went to Obama. HEll, people vote dem or rep just for the simple fact that thats what they are representing. I vote for Mickey Mouse if he had a good plan.
Educated up-scale Obama supporters will have no trouble following this arithmetic. Suppose we do not know what percent of Hillary folks vote for her. We know that 90 percent of blacks always vote for Obama. The task is to write a general equation that expresses this situation.
Let z = the percent of Hillary folks that vote for her, expressed as a fraction.
Let y = the percent of blacks in the population that would give a tie vote, expressed as a fraction. Let the sample vote be 100 votes.
The equation is,
.9 y + (1-z)(100-y) = .1y + z(100-y)
Assign z = .6 and simplify
100 + 1.2 y = .2y + 120
y = 20 percent.
With a 20 percent black population Obama and Hillary will tie. If the black population exceeds 20 percent, Obama will win.
D Bennett,
In 8 years under Slick Willy, the USA was attacked 18 times by terrorists. Osama bin Laden was offered to us when he was in jail. The 19 hijackers on 9/11 entered the country. Klinton did nothing for his Blacks when the Dumbassocrats controlled the White House, Congress and the Supreme Court. He committed perjury and refused to resign. He was impeached. He was elected twice by a minority because of Ross Perot syphoning votes from Republicans - who wanted a change.
GWB, made the USA a power tobe reckoned with. 100,000 terrorists have died. Had it not been for GWB, they would have been blowing up schools, buses, churches and malls across the USA and other democratic countries.
I am also out of the US. The only negative things I hear comes from CNN. The locals respect and understand our fight against terrorism.
God Bless the USA and the Republican Party.
D. Bennet "Choosing a candidate for president should never be about skin color or sex, it is the candidate that one honestly believe will make a difference"
You have to be kidding me. Thats the political game. Appealing to specific population segments.
I agree 100 percent that the American black population would vote for Snoop Dog or P. Diddy, for that matter, if either of them were running. I also hope that Hillary Clinton, who has been back-stabbed, double-crossed, and done dirty by so many of her colleagues and frenemies, takes the ENTIRE DEMOCRATIC party ship down the toilet if she quits. We're going to get the government we all deserve in the end. Perhaps when people stop worrying about American Idol and rather about food and gas riots in the streets, people will wake up. This Obama business is in fact, a fairy tale. Wish I'd said it first.
to the post who took offense and became hostile re: my comment "better to say Will Smith than Snoop Dog". If you would have read my next post you would see that I was being facicious and it was meant, not to slander blacks, but to say "if you are going to say something like that, at least use an intelligent black person". I am not prejudice. I don't like Clinton (not because she is Female) because she is a liar and a crook. I don't like Obama (not because he is black) because he lied about the Wright involvement and he is too new to the DC game. He can't "change" anything. I don't like McCain because he is too hot tempered and too eager for us to remain in Iraq. I would have liked to have seen Ron Paul in this race....so I think it was YOU who are so on the defensive about race that you are the one who is prejudiced. I can see the ignorance on this forum so I will sign off and not return.
Obama is not great neither is Hilary, but America doesn't have a creme of the litter to pick from. Personally neither the Democrats nor the Republicans can get America back on its feet and that's a fact.
How come we hear so little of electoral context, as in: Democrats gaining almost veto-proof majorities in both houses of Congress; how an in-experienced Obama would lack the stature to stand against a resurgent wave of Democratic entitlement demands, including special project funding, civil rights, economic protectionism, and foreign policy; and, how time after time the country has sub-consciously preferred -- and hence voted -- for a divided government. That, perhaps more than any other, is a persuasive argument to elect John McCain president this Fall. McCain can say, truthfully: "I'm not George Bush, I'm different -- and Senator Obama cannot stand up to Reid/Pelosi."
I am African American. I am educated. I am a business owner. I have served in the Marines.
I have not voted in the last two elections because frankly there ws no candidate for me to get behind. I stay registered and I will be voting in November.
I was a Hillary supporter when I first heard she was running. There were things about Bill's term in office that I did like. I thought Hillary might be an extension of the good things Bill did. I am well aware of both of their negatives.
I also thought, the temperament of a woman would be great for the country. Sadly, as I watched her campaign unfold,I really began to dislike her approach and presentation.
I did not know who Obama was, and it took me awhile to get to know and research him. Now, I am am fully behind him. His color is not a factor to me. His approach and character are the factors I truly find inspiring.
PowerToPeople,
These are the same Democrats urging their own party to overturn the popular selection that thought the 2000 election was wrong?
Of course, they were wrong in 2000. Three indiependent newspapers and one sponsored by the DNC did a recount in Florida and.... guess what... Bush won every recount.
But, the Democrats still wanted to overturn it.
It seems that the Democrats do not stand for democracy, only for their candidate.
Democracy is rule by the people. If the majority of the voters voted for Obama, he isthe candidate. The DNC got in this mess when they came up with elite "super delegates" who could negate the rule of the people.
Is that democracy?
I believe that Hillary has played the race card- or kept the race issue and is winning the white vote by wide margins...but no one seems to complain ...but when Obama wins o...it's racism this and how BLACK people are racist....well i believe whoever have these thought in images in their man need to come back to reality and have a serious mind check to see clearly that BARACK OBAMA is the better canidate.
With a crippled economy America can only nominate a Fascist who admits a total ignorance of Economics, a Socialist and a borderline Communist.
With wars and a military presence in over a hundred countries, America nominates one term Senators with no forign policy experience whatsoever and a war monger wanting 1000 years of war and world domination.
It appears McCain 2008 is deeply disturbed by the actions of Obama's pastor. But where is there evidence that Obama co-signs? And have you listened to EVERY SINGLE SPEECH the man has given in the last 20 years every Sunday?
I have racist family members. They rant, they rave, I do no co-sign but I still love them. Obama did not co-sign his Pastor. He defended him until he heard his words for himself (as divisive politics in this country HAS made false proclamations). When he did read/hear it for himself he denounced them.
You also co-signed someone who stated that "real America" is "Middle aged white men". Native Americans are not real "Americans"? Mexicans were here before Puritan Anglos. Blacks were stolen here to create wealth for select whites and had to endure brutality and victimization for hundreds of years and were only granted "legal rights" just over 40 years ago. They build America - are they not American? Are not Chinese people? Are not Italians?
It appears you are LIVID that people can even CONSIDER voting for a "minority". Why not? Many White people align themselves with white politicians because of race...like you are :)
When the Democrats took control of the House of Representatives in 2004, Nancy Pelosi said she had a plan to reduce gasoline prices. At the time gas was selling for $2.31 per gallon. Where is Nancy's plan?
Hillary has a plan. What is Obama's plan?
Dear Sir/Madam: I sure wished all the newspapers and other forms of communication would get it right and tell them that she is just a redneck from and she is not a New York native so don't run New York state down by usin that as her home which it isn't no matter how many homes she owns she is still the same redneck from Arkansas as she was when her other half was in office.
Thank You Gene D.
People take note: This is not an election for Prom King...this is for the President of the United States. This person stands to effect policies that will impact you and your children and grandchildren...IF we are still around that is. The naive zombies elected Bush just based on one or two issues and did not look at his character or what he had or had not accomplished in his life. He has spent 7 years of on-the-job-training. Do we need another president that has to be trained at our expense? Don't make the same mistake again. Obama is an unknown. Don't vote for him just because you think he is black (he is not) or because you feel guilty because blacks have sometimes been slighted. (The blacks in the United States are better off than blacks in almost any other country of the world and especially the ones that got left in Africa and didn't get to come to the U.S. and their situation is improving all the time.) When Obama pulls a crack pipe out of his pocket on a date with a homosexual man (while he is married and his wife is expecting their second child), then brokers the purchase of cocaine, it is time to ask yourself is this who we want in the white house. He is opening himself up to all kinds of blackmail and judgment issues. (As for being against the Iraq war right from the beginning, maybe that was because he knew that a lot of his Muslim brothers would die.) And seriously, I was against it also, but I didn't have to actually make a stand...so it is easy to stand on principle when one doesn't really have to make any REAL decisions. Oh, he probably would have voted "present" anyway if he actually had to vote. People, pay attention, this person is totally incapable of this job...but then of course he will have lots of help from Rezko, Ayres and all the rest of his revolutionary buddies. Let me repeat...He is not a black man, he is an evil devil who seeks to overthrow our country like his cousin in Kenya tried to do to his government.
Of the two remaining Dems????? Yes, Osama Hussein is the better.
Of the two running in November? Not a chance.
I do agree that if the Dems hold majorities in both houses, we need a Republican President to hold the "Tax and Spend Liberals" in check.
Remember, the reason the country is in a finacial mess is FDRand his alphabet soup of socialism. Yhe only thing that undid his wave of financial terror was his own 'court-packing' scheme.
The reason Social Security is Bankrupt is the Dems in 93. They controlled both housesand the White house and stole money from Social Security to 'balance the budget'.
You youngsters need to research the Dems before you vote fo them.
Ninety to ninety-two percent of blacks vote for Obama while slightly over half of whites voted for him before Wright. All these blacks claim to have done research and do not vote color. Who are they kidding but themselves?
Why has the media not mentioned that in the North Carolina election last night-- one county counted 10,000 votes (allegedly by error) twice for Obama?
Wonder how many other votes were counted twice for him?
"They would vote for Snoop Dog if he were running. This is antil-white racism."
First of all, __ you (obviously) uneducated brain-dead crouton... Perhaps you are not aware of the fact that Hillary once had "overwhelming" support from black voters. This was in the beginning and clearly based upon misperceptions that many blacks had of "the Clintons". It was only after they themselves thoroughly inserted their feet in their own collective mouths that they decisively turned off and lost the support of numerous black voters.
These same blacks (who've always voted for white candidates) knew that Hillary was white and Obama black. If the overwhelming Obama support were race-based then Obama would have had this majority black support from the inception... he did not. Fact.
But I don't expect an ignorant racist moron like you to actually 'get it'. I do realize that trash like you would vote for Howard Stern; Tom Lycus; Carrot Top or David Duke before you'd vote for a black man. (If you voted for George Bush you've already demonstrated your complete lack of political astuteness anyway.) Chow now you ignorant piece of trash!
Thanks Maryam I 've been wondering how long it would take for anyone to realise that Barack Obama is easily as much white as he is black. Or has someone figured out how to determine which is the dominant blood line in B Obama? Some of the comments on this post have real value. The racial comments are absolutley pathetic.
I suspect there are millions of us out here who are sick and tired of this presidential power-grabbing circus. Sadly, and frighteningly, the end result will be that one of the circus clowns will be assuming the role of the most powerful person in the world. Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves. We are paying over $200,000 per year to each of the three senators in this race. For two years they have done nothing but fly around the country campaigning. So what are we getting from them for our tax dollars? Not to mention the hundreds of millions spent on the campaigns. What a joke our elected "leaders" have become to the people out here who actually have built this great country and make it work. Thomas Jefferson said that an occasional armed revolution against the government is a desirable event. I think he had it right.
Amanda Green,
"He has spent 7 years of on-the-job-training. Do we need another president that has to be trained at our expense? Don't make the same mistake again"
The only person to attain the office of the President of the USA with any real experience was Grover Cleveland. He had 4 years' experience when he was re-elected for his 2nd non-consecutive term.
Everyone else elected has had to learn with OJT.
No job prepares you better for the office than being Governor or a military commander.
All of the great presidents were either Governors (T. Roosevelt, Reagan, GWB) or ex-Military (Washington, Jackson, Lincoln, Grant, Teddy [again], Truman, Ike, McCain).
To lead, one must know how to lead, not legislate. Not a single ex-Senator has ever become a great President. {Yes, JFK, but h\as his record becomes clearer, he loses stature every poll. The only thing JFK did good in the WH was Marilyn and about 50 prostitutes.}
How come we hear so little of electoral context, as in: Democrats gaining almost veto-proof majorities in both houses of Congress; how an in-experienced Obama would lack the stature to stand against a resurgent wave of Democratic entitlement demands, including special project funding, civil rights, economic protectionism, and foreign policy; and, how time after time the country has sub-consciously preferred -- and hence voted -- for a divided government. That, perhaps more than any other, is a persuasive argument to elect John McCain president this Fall. McCain can say, truthfully: "I'm not George Bush, I'm different -- and Senator Obama cannot stand up to Reid/Pelosi."
Apparently Obama has a plan to send reparations to Africa. Check out his Senate Bill S.2433. Its title is World Poverty Act. It calls for $845 billion to be sent to the UN over a 13 year period. 845 billion is about the same cost as the Iraq War.
Per 2000 Census: Black Population: 12.3% White only population: 75.1% It hasn't changed that much.
I have to assume that he is the anti-Christ because I cannot imagine any other way that an unqualified, philandering, drug-using, arrogant creep of a human being could possibly get elected. Black man? I don't think so...he is a devil. Certainly Colin Powell or Bill Cosby he is not.
Hey Amanda Green... (psst)... Are you smoking crack darling? Let's see now... 1: "Philandering" 2: "Drug-using" 3: "Arrogant creep of a human being"
You don't see how somebody that fits these criteria could "possibly" get elected??? Hmm... it sounds like you just described GEORGE W BUSH.. The drunken alcoholic loser who once resided in a rehab center for his crack-cocaine ADDICTION!!!
Oh...but you're right... he wasn't "ELECTED" he was "SELECTED" after he STOLE both Elections.
Oh...and as for "associations"... you and all the other dumb ignorant morons on this board conveniently forget that the BUSH's and the LADEN family were and ARE Business partners in OIL investments.
Your illustrious president drug this country into a stupid assed war against the innocent civilians in IRAQ when clearly it was Bin Laden of AFGHANISTAN who attacked American on 9/11. THEY have NO respect for the ignorant uninformed followers like you and they secretly laugh at your ignorance over booze. P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C!!!
"Why has the media not mentioned that in the North Carolina election last night-- one county counted 10,000 votes (allegedly by error) twice for Obama?
Wonder how many other votes were counted twice for him?"
In 2000, there were 8,000 dems who voted in Philly and in NJ. There were many outcries as to the number of people who voted twice. By the thousands, they were all democrats. Only 3....THREE.... men were accused of voting twice as Republicans.
Where is the Media????
95% of the media are democrats!!!!!
Why do you think they aren't reporting it? They never report anything bad that Dems do.... except on page 6-20 or as an afterthought.
If those people had voted for McCain, it would have been front-page.
Mccain 08 you are Ill informed. Jesse Jackson ran for president, and he was not able to garner the African-American vote. Lets also not forget that Obama is just as white as he is black. Also answer these questions if you are so informed... 1.Mccain voted against a MLK holiday, is that racist? 2.A fact is something that is proven, how is it a fact that African-Americans voted for Obama due to race? Is it that we are so stupid we cannot decipher a candidate based on issues? 3.Hillary has more of the white vote, why is this not racism? Is it because white people are so smart that they go on issues and look past race?
You sound stupid and you make no sense, so please if you cannot answer these questions you truly hav no leg to stand on.
Obama nor the media has mentioned it, but during his testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee a few weeks ago, General Patraeus said he requested 2.8 billion funding for the Iraq War next year. That is 34 cents per day per person in the US. The cost is down because Iraq is assuming much of the fighting.
Barack Obama took a limousine ride with a homosexual man in 1999 while his wife was pregnant with his second child. He brokered the purchase of cocaine and pulled his own crack pipe out of his pocket to smoke it in and then the two engaged in homosexual sex. At the time he was a senator in Illinois and a married man. So, he not only has the down low habit...he as recently as 1999 had the crack smoking habit. Furthermore, he probably had an intimate homosexual relationship with the black Choirmaster of his church in Chicago. Said gay choirmaster was killed execution-style at Christmas, 2007, possibly because he was getting ready to spill the beans. The church has offered a paltry $1,000 reward for information leading to the solution to this murder. But they have put up several million to build a home for Rev. Wright and for his retirement. Or maybe that was hush money.
MLK was financed by the Soviets to disrupt the USA. The night before he was killed (assassinations are for political leaders), he was with a prostitute. Voting against his 'holiday' is not racist, it is understanding that it wasn't deserved. -- Thurgood Marshall, yes. MLK? No.
Yes. Blacks support Blacks because they are Black. Once they earn the facts and realize the are wrong, it is too late, they have shown their racism. Look at every incident that Jesse and Al have been in and the results. First there is whole-hearted support, then shame - Tawany Brawley????
There is just as much sexism as there is racism. It is all wrong.
If the best person was to be elected, it would be Huckabee.
At a time when we were considering consolidating President holidays into one holiday, it made no sense to crate a MLK holiday. It was no reflection on the greatness of MLK.
Amanda,
Source?
Starting to sound like the Klinton background in Arkansas.
All you racist on here are sad,stupid & amusing. Its because of you that Obama is winning. Its because of you that the smart white people are not bothered by Jeremiah Wright's "U.S. of KKK" comments.They understand his anger because they know that there are so many assholes like you in this country.
I cant beleive that there are so many democrats who would vote for McCain instead of Obama. You would let the country burn before letting a black man become President? How disgusting.
Its all good though.I hope McCain wins. I hope he wins and keeps us at war. I hope gas and food prices keep going up. I hope the jobs keep going oversees. I hope Wal-Mart kills small business. I hope they have to take minimum wage jobs (If they can find them). I hope the mortgage crisis continues.I hope the white middle class gets totally flushed out of suburbia and the rich buy those houses,jack up the rent on some of them and give the rest to their spoiled ass kids and mistresses. I hope their forced into ghettos & trailer parks. Then I hope their crime rates go up. I hope the teenagers get wrapped up in the gang life that now surrounds them. I hope they start selling drugs to get by,because they cant compete with the latinos in the workplace. I hope they start going to jail.
Meanwhile,I hope current hip-hop trends continue and every black person has at least one million-dollar hit record,giving us enough money to buy those houses in suburbia that were once occupied by the white middle class.
I hope WHITE TRASH becomes the NEW NIGGER. I hope rich white people look down on you so badly that all you'll have to say is "God Damn.Jeremiah was WRIGHT"
Then,in the aftermath,"knowing how it feels to live in a country full of rich white people",maybe you can let go of your white supremist views and we can all come together in attempt to fix our country.
McCain '08.
YeeeeeHaawwwww
Now to Address the Rev. Wright situation, while I deplore his tactics,I actually listened to the whole sermon(Avl on youtube) and not media snippets and nothing he said was off base,white people just hate to hear the truth (Probably why Hillary has such a large following).T 1.Americas chickens are coming home to roost, has America not done wrong to other countries? Of course, we have terrorized many countries. Should innocent people die because of it, of course not, but that is exactly whathappened on Sept.11 2. America has and still does mistreat African-Americans, I dare anyone to dispute this fact. 3.The government of Amrica administers AIDS to African Americans, while it seems far fetched, a similar incident has happened. The government administered syphillis to black men in Tuskegee and left it untreated, a disease that becomes hereditary. Now how farfetched is his message really?
youngdrodeau,
You are a racist idiot.
I am a middle-aged whte man who grow up in the integrated South.
The only time I hear words such as yours is from anyone in the North.
Am I right?
Barack Obama is half white. But blacks do not see him that way. Half-black is better than no black. Lets be honest, for blacks color is everything, apparently. The exit poll statistics cannot be interpreted any other way.
After reading all these hateful and racist comments coming from people I'm so glad I abandoned Christianity which is a hoax religion controlled by the Whites to destroy their own fellow Christians, it's full of Prejudism and Racisim. I'm happy I left a long time ago to become an Atheist.
All this talk they are all talk but in the meantime troops are dying for no reason, gas prices are ridiculous, food prices are going up, and terrosists are sitting around somewhere laughing at us and probably waiting to attack again while we are analyzing race and gender instead of trying to protect our contry and find ways for american families to feed thier families without loosing their homes.I am a teacher and I cant even afford to purchase a home. You all are on here talking about race and gender who cares about all of this. Get someone in there who can get us out of this state of chaos. As long as its not another George Bush
Does anyone remember Hillary saying how she'd "obliterate" Iran at the drop of a hat? Well, I sure do and I sure don't want someone that has such little tact to be calling the shots in Wahington. It's all we'd need to finish destroying our own economy playing into the hands of terrorists by getting into another war. Hillary might as well be a republican anyways. Maybe McCain will offer her his V.P., LOL.
I am not racist, since I have taught several thousand black kids whom I dearly love. What I am a little skeptical about is the muslim part, and the lack of reverance for the USA Flag, and the not having pride in America for "her" entire life. THAT IS WHERE I AM CONCERNED. Like hundreds of other students in the 50's, I paid my OWN COLLEGE bills. I somehow believe the Obama's had alot of help to get where they are today. AND DID NOT feel pride in America. I was brought up a good ole country gentleman who was first, an American; second, A born again Christian; and third, a Democrat. I am afraid he would be highlt agitated about a Presidential candidate with BHO background. But go ahead - this new change mess- have it your way. You will be wishing you would have voted another way about 6 months after the Inagauration. Please do not say you were not told.
The republicans are getting exactly what they want. They are jumping party lines to get Obama the nomination, then once he has the nomination they are going to cross over knowing he is not electable as president of this country and vote for McCain. McCain is definately not my option, but if Obama is the Democratic nominee, my vote will be for either John McCain or Ralph Nader. Great job republican party!!
To paraphrase SNL..... "Leigh, you ignorant sl**"
- ... we have terrorized many countries.
Hmmm... like all the aid we have sent to poor African countires that is stolen by their leaders. Like the aid we are trying to send to Burma? What aother examples of our state terrorism do you have?
We were attacked by Muslim extremists because they were losing their stranglehold in their counries to democracy.
- America has and still does mistreat African-Americans, I dare anyone to dispute this fact.
WTF??!!?! We give so many handouts and excuses and ...... welfare. Mistreat?????? Cite examples.
- The government of Amrica administers AIDS to African Americans,
You are so F-ing stupid. Give proof, not racist BS.
Leigh, thank you for making those points. Very well said...
It really bothers me that people think Obama only won NC b/c of the black vote. Did the black vote help him? Of course. BUT, only 1/3 of the democratic voters in NC's primary were black. Obviously, he got a lot more than 33% of the votes on Tuesday. That means that there had to be non-blacks voting for him as well. Let's also take into account that not every single black person is voting for him. As a Black Woman, I did not originally support him. It wasn't until late January that I truly began to believe in what he has to say, and fully support him. I used to prefer Hillary. But as someone stated above, she and her husband are solely responsible for the way I feel about her now. Even when I switched candidates, I still had the upmost respect for her. That respect is mostly lost now b/c I am offended by the words of our former President and the tactics that she has used in her campaign. This democratic race has been bitter and our party has a lot of healing to do if we want to win in November...
Everybody thinks they have a right to be able to purchase a home. When you consider that a little over 100 years ago the population of the US was 70 million, and the land area is finite, timber and other materials are limited and being competed for, and labor is expensive, is it any surprise housing is unafordable? How many people have built a house with there own two hands? These few know how much labor it is? It takes years to build a house. Then financing is also a big expense. Then there are fees and taxes. Government is not the problem. Population and limited resources are at the root of housing unaffordability.
Hey Hillary don't give up I wanna see you and Bill destroy the Democratic party. I wanna see it split like a watermelon at a Sunday picnic. Go Hillary Go,Go Hillary Go. Good lord this is fun !!
Leigh,
1) The USA is the greatest country in the history of human civilization. The entire world is a much better place because we exist, not in spite of it. Why don't you ask the older Europeans who were liberated by the blood of our soldiers from Hitler's Nazi's how they feel about the USA? What a moronic statement you make. 2)Compared to what country? Uganda? African-Americans are the most prosperous, successful, well-educated, respected blacks in the world. If they are not, then why are blacks from all other countries trying to get here to build a life? 3) African-Americans at Tuskegee were NOT administered with syphilis. They were already infected, and used as a control group to develop new, better treatments. While reprehensible, this act was not an intentional infection. Get your facts straight. I loath our government, but to suggest that the AIDS epidimic was purposefully loaded into the black community is simply ignorant and ludicrous. JEEZ, the stupidity!
I am not voting against B.O. because he is black. (That would be racist) I am voting against him because he is incompetent and incapable of doing the job to which he is applying. Colin Powell, I could vote for and there are other blacks that would certainly be up to the job. But Barack obama is not and the blacks of this country are being used by the handlers of B.O. He is merely a puppet in the hands of some powerful people who will use him to control our government. They will rape and rob our country just as the Cheney/Bush mob has done. The middle class and poor class people are not their priority and you are being naive and stupid if you think that Barack Obama has your best interests at heart. I repeat also, he is a crack-smoking, on the down low and probably a murderer of his lover. And the MSM have this information and will not get it out to the public because they are in bed with the Obama mob.
It's interesting to note that people talk about Jeremiah Wright as a racist (he may or may not be), yet the U.S. is filled with 'white' churches that spread a theology that is openly racist, blacks are the condemned brother from the Cain and Able bible story and are cursed, whites were given the U.S. by God and had a right to eliminate the Indians etc. The mid-west and south is full of these 'religious institutions'. Oh yes and Bush was (and is) a friend and regular visitor to Bob Jones University (religious), that banned inter-racial dating and condemns homosexuality as a sin. Yet none of these shrill screamers accusing Obama of racism seem to consider this important.
The outrageous idea that black people do not have the right to vote for a black candidate without being called racist is intensely offensive. EVERY voter supports candidates they trust, even if its only because the candidate hails from the same state or has a similar faith. Race is not the issue here.
Furthermore the Clintons did not, at any point, even attempt to court the black vote in NC. This overall strategy backfired. The Clintons are now reviled and they can blame no one but themselves. Their cynical approach and vulgar attempts to manipulate the American voter is an insult not just to Black voters but to all Americans.
And for the record: Yes I would vote for Snoop Dogg if he was talking about ending the war in Iraq, reinvesting in the american infrastructure and education system, protecting the environment and re-establishing America's reputation across the globe.
All this bickering and insane commentaries make me embarrassed to be an American! I've never read so many uninformed stupid hateful opinions about anything as I have in these above published comments. Shame on you.....
The democrats look like fools again! Doesn't matter whether its Obama or Clinton. McCain is going to win....its experience vs. non-experience.
Deep below the surface, America is getting into this racial division, so why not taking an alternative candidate? I still believe Al Gore is the best candidate!
So why not put the differences away? Republicans and Democrats as well, why not support Al Gore as the independent candidate for the presidency? The stake is just too big to vote for another "President Bush"!!!
Mr. Al Gore, if you care for this country, run for president! Most Americans will stand behind you ...
George,
Agreed. But the sad fact is that we have become a divided people because of the threat to our way of life and the efforts of those on the left to divide us, for political and self-aggrandizing reasons, into "groups". By race, victims, entitlements, class, etc. All the while slamming and punishing those of us who do our best to raise our families, work hard, improve our communities, and maintain our standards of morality and values. We are headed rapidly toward being just another third-world country unless we can address the issue of whether or not we truly are a people and country that can maintain our greatness through our values and way of life.
If i were a white racist i would be afraid! whats happening is that whites and non whites are tired of the racist running things off the backs of the poor and middle class. constsantly taking for themselves. so what if snoop ran for office if he had as many votes as OBAMA they would be even more afraid. and some people always have strong words when they can not be seen (gtrevi, vote4thebest,McCain 2008,bibihenna),i could name a few more but you know who you are and we do to. cowards to say the least. that old backwoods teaching is dead. this country was founded on racism so you might as well get ready to be mad (afraid) when its not what you want, who you want anymore! If your scared go to church!
"Barack Obama took a limousine ride with a homosexual man in 1999 while his wife was pregnant with his second child. He brokered the purchase of cocaine and pulled his own crack pipe out of his pocket to smoke it in and then the two engaged in homosexual sex. At the time he was a senator in Illinois and a married man." - Amanda (stupid-ass) Green.
Hey Amanda Green,
Here's one for you. Hillary Clinton is a crack-smoking beer swilling alcoholic dyke aka LESBO. Both her and Billy-Bob Clinton regularly engage in couples swinger parties. Bill likes to take it up the rear and Hillary likes to use a strap on to screw other women... especially poor immigrant under-aged pre-teens.
As for John McCain... He only survived being a POW because he cracked and told the enemy everything they wanted to know and as a result of his cowardice the enemy knew our plans and thousands of American soldiers were subsequently ambushed. Also, McCain admitted to being a "rebel without a cause" when he was younger. Bragged about purposely "flying to low for no good reason" and taking out an entire communities electricity.
In addition, John McCain's pastor was a devout member of the KKK. His 16 year old mistress turned up missing after threatening to tell his wife that he got her pregnant... and I understand that their are photo's of him taking up in the butt from ....I won't say. Want more?
Oh...and let us not forget that Billy-Bob and Hillbillary both had Vince Foster and a slew of others 'silenced' ...'ahem... KILLED!
Yes...it's all out there so let's just repeat the hyperbole and the urban legends with no basis in fact. Who gives a damn about truth or facts on this board anyway? So let's at least be an equal opportunity bullshit conduit.
Hey Andre, Al Gore isn't going to run. Why should he? He's too busy selling carbon offsets to the "Oh I feel so guilty" bunch. Lets be honest. He has to recoup all the money he put into his big Infomercial on global warming
Hey E.D.,
If this country was founded on racism, I'm surprised you haven't found another place to live. How do you sleep at night knowing you are living in and paying taxes to a racist country? Or are you one of our "citizens" living off the taxes of others who are paying for your welfare? That would explain it. We're not afraid, we just don't want you running our country and taking our hard-earned money. We have our own families to care for. Has nothing to do with race, has everything to do with liberal policies.
If Snoop Dogg were running against Barack Obama, I definitely would vote for Snoop...at least I know that he is a true American unlike B.O. who is a fake masquerading as a patriot while planning to use the U.S. for his own intents and designs. And those intents and designs do not include middle class America, which is the backbone and the breadwinner of this country, whether black, white, brown or purple. B.O. is planning on doing all he can to help the Muslim African nations as is plain by his own words.."I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." From his book Audacity of Hope. Wake up African-Americans, this man does NOT represent you or the best interests of anyone in America. (By the way Snoop Dogg would not be a good candidate for president either...at least not at this point in his life)
Obama is a pretty face with no substance. He is going to be a disappointment in a big way. This is about genderphobia, pure and simple.
I've got news to all of you who constantly refer to the racial percentages of voters in various states.... IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT COLOR A VOTER IS. In this country, one vote is as valid, and as valuable as another, black, white, young, old, rich, poor, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
It's disgusting to me that Clinton supporters try to put Obama down by constantly mentioning that a certain percentage of black voters voted for him. SO WHAT !!!
BOTTOM LINE: It doesn't matter what color of voter voted for what candidate. Obama leads in popular votes won, number of states won, elected delegates won, and soon, superdelegates won. PERIOD. END OF STORY.
Hillary is a liar and a cheat. See State of California Superior Court LA County's civil suit , Paul vs. Clinton. It's public record. Ready on day1 to lie.
CLINTONS ARE MATER OF BULL S HIT aroogant power freak
This country is CRAZY! Clinton should win this hands down but because of simple minded people that are really only looking at BILL CLINTONS' past presidency (or should i say the people are judging his indiscretions) rather than what Hilary CLINTON has ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED to better this country - for example, medical care for ALL CHILDREN and the MOTHERS. She follows through with everything she says she's gonna do! Talk about strength dealing with the press alone with bills cheating on her then the country as well. Obama is NOT experienced enough. How can this country vote for a presidential canidate that has only been a Senator for a couple years!!! McCain will win forsure if Obama is the Democratic canidate then we WILL ALL be doomed to another 4 years of BUSH government!!! THINK PEOPLE, THINK!!!
People,
I appreciate everyones opinions. How about realism. Obama wins easily in December because of his character and inteligence. Reagan was our last man of character. Obama will be the next JFK or Lincoln. A man with vision for the good of mankind.
Carolyne, Those are not urban legends...they are just malicious rumors spread by uninformed stooges. Remember, we spent how many millions of dollars to find out every piece of dirt on the Clintons that could ever have been. They have got to be the most investigated and most not guilty of anyone ever accused of a sin. It is true that Bill is a womanizer...I don't think anyone could deny that...but the rest of that dirt is just pure gossip. I have no idea about McCain. I do believe that this info on B. O is true and until we spend millions of dollars to prove him innocent, I am going to believe him GUILTY. I bet Michelle divorces him if he doesn't win the election. I'll bet this was all news to her.
Carolyne, Those are not urban legends...they are just malicious rumors spread by uninformed stooges. Remember, we spent how many millions of dollars to find out every piece of dirt on the Clintons that could ever have been. They have got to be the most investigated and most not guilty of anyone ever accused of a sin. It is true that Bill is a womanizer...I don't think anyone could deny that...but the rest of that dirt is just pure gossip. I have no idea about McCain. I do believe that this info on B. O is true and until we spend millions of dollars to prove him innocent, I am going to believe him GUILTY. I bet Michelle divorces him if he doesn't win the election. I'll bet this was all news to her.
If mcain was not a war supporting republican I would vote for him if "Black Hussein Osama" won the democratic nomination. But I am stuck voting for BHO just because he is against the war and is a democrat. Sadly BHO does not look like he can win a general election especially not against mcain who actually has some good ideas.
Racist white churches?
Hmmmm...... I would be willing to bet that you see more Blacks in "White Churches" than you do Whites in "Black Churches".
Either way, it is a matter of choice and neighborhoods. People have a right o worship as they please and with whom they please.
It is like Osama Hussein worshipping for 20 years in the church of the racist, hate-spewing Rev. Wright. It is his right and it is our right to associate him with this person.
It is still better than Slick Willy and Billary going to a Black Church to get the Black vote.
If Snoop and Will Smith were to run, I would probbly vote for them.... then Jada would add some class to the Blair House.
anybody vote for clintons IS OK TO BE LIE AND CHEAT and crook , he will ULTIMATE lobbies sold out USA to china and queen earmark and HIB visa, american dumb sucker ,what his done ONLY NAFTA fiasco and globalization.
Clinton will continue to try to steal the nomination by insisting that the Michigan and Florida primaries were ‘legitimate’ even though she agreed beforehand that they would not count. She will continue to argue that the will of the people should be ignored and try to get the super-delegate elite to support her instead. She does not care about the people or the Democratic Party. She only cares about extending the Clinton dynasty.
clintons slime balls arrogant and creep,pervert they both FRAUD
Please.....first off I am not a racist....but I will say the majority of blacks would probably vote for O.J. Simpson if he were running. Barack Hussein Obama is an intelligent guy,excellent motivational speaker and current pop icon. Even the white vote he is getting is based on "emotion" not fact. He is chronically liberal,he wants to chat politely with terrorists organizations like "Hamas" (which like him by the way), he has already had several small scandals around his campaign without even being nominated. The fact that he was unaware of Reverend Wright's comments is pathetic. Personally I think he's an atheist who used Church to look good politically, so he probably really did miss the "tainted sermons". Hillary is full of bull also,"HOWEVER", she is seasoned,very tough,and no nonsense. Being the leader of the free world is not job for a candy ass. Now I would also say that Obama is a Muslim defect, hey....God bless him, but defection from Islam is punishable by death in the eyes of screwy radicals. Do you think they will respect us if he gets the job? Honestly? Use your friggin' heads.....
"what Hilary CLINTON has ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED to better this country - for example, medical care for ALL CHILDREN and the MOTHERS. She follows through with everything she says she's gonna do!"
Huh!!!!!!
When did she do this?
Was this when her HUSBND was POTUS and the Dems controlled Congress and they shot down her ideas?
When did all children and mothers get medical care?
Oh........ you mean she will follow through on everything....... silly me.... you mean she will make a promise and keep it.
Hey, if her lips are moving, she is lying.
She will say anything to get your vote and then do what she wants. And, remember, the President only signs bills, Congress passes legislation.
The only good that came out of Willy's terms were all bills passe by a Republican controlled Congress that he had to sign because the people wanted them.
I find this anonymous board is a display honest opinions. The frightening state of American economics is my primary concern, as it obviously is for others. Let's see, hmmm, a half black/half white political hanger-on who was raised at the very least in a Muslim atmosphere...OR a white U.S. Senator who served this country in Vietnam, was held as a POW, a man not exposed to Islam at a critical time of his life...which man has the best chance of stablilizing rather than dividing? I have voted for Democratic candidates since first able to vote (for McGovern) but from now on I am an Independent. McCain will get my vote, as much as that counts.
. . . . . . . HEY... EVERY politician... or citizen who has EVER sat in a catholic church is a PEDOPHILE.
You/They are ALL 100% GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION!!!!!
IF YOUR PRIEST, BISHOP, ARCHDIOCESE ETC. ...EVER... Molested a child then YOU are guilty by ASSOCIATION!!
Let's hold you/them to the same standards you want to impose upon Barrack Obama.
By the Way... GW BUSH is still friends with a very racist and homophobic church that forbids interracial relationships and is anti-gay. (Personally I do agree with their stand against homosexuality being against the word of God though) but hey...I'm not a politician. . . . . .
I would love to see a poll asking people if they would vote for Condi Rice.
I bet that almost every Black would say yes. Of course, that would prove their vote is race-based... not that they are racists.
I would also bet that the majority of Republicans would also say yes. And, we all know they are all white males.... that defeats the argument that Republicans are racisits and sexists.
And, I'll bet that most Democrat women would say yes. See Blacks above.
The problem here is that Democrats vote based on race and sex. Republicans vote base on experience and character.
McCain/Rice 2008
Carolyne O'reilly,
BTW.... shouldn't your name have an uppercase "R"?
There is a big difference between me visiting a chucrch one time with a friend and a man sitting in a church every Sunday for 20 years and going to every church social event.
If I go once and fall asleep, I can say "I didn't hear what he said." But, how can you sleep every Sunday for 20 years?????????
Please. Get real. Osama Hussein is lying.
Lara, I agree with you about Hillary's accomplishment. Myself, I have no problem with Obama, but his wife. She's is so ugly. Her skin is too dark. Her lower lip is too long. First lady must be beautiful like McCain's wife. If Obama got the nomination for any reason, I would switch my vote to McCain! Can't stand an ugly first lady!
Franklin, Where have you been. Hillary Clinton was a big part of getting SCHIP(sic) passed the law that did extend to each state the opportunity to give free health care to all children until age 18 and all pregnant mothers that do not have insurance. We have it here in our state and I think most states have it. It is funded from federal funds and some state matching funds. It does not cover everybody, but it helps that the children have the opportunity for good health care until they reach 18 anyway.
Your hatred for women is showing through. She is really a very intelligent, accomplished, well-educated and hard-working woman. and not nearly as evil as the right-wing radical nut cases would have you believe. She is in favor of birth control and women's rights to control their own body. Although I do not believe in abortion for me or my daughters, I do support any woman's right to decide for herself without the gov't coming into our bedrooms to control our bodies. However, I think anyone considering abortion should be offered every alternative possible. But sometimes those alternatives are not there and then I believe if a woman decides on an abortion she should have a sterile, safe environment to have it performed and in the first trimester also. That was the major hatred of Hillary...but this does not concern you since I assume that, Franklin, you are a man and have not ever had to face the possibility of an abortion. But mostly because of that and the fact that she is a strong woman who doesn't back down from the "good old boys club" has earned her the wrath of the far right.
Amanda Green--- Do you REALLY believe all the crap in your post? If so, I feel sorry for you, as you must lead a pretty tortured existence.
I thought Americans were smart but going by the postings here, I am very disapppointed. I wonder how you got to the leading position in the World economy that you presently enjoy.
I see why the Asian Tigers (supposedly smarter) have taking over the business and shortly the political landscape.
Americans, get more education and follow the voice of reason. The World is tired of rudderless posturing...and for the Black Americans, Nigeria welcome them...so many white Americans are already here. What are you waiting for...its much better here than being there.
Ay Dave,shut the fuck up.
How in the fuck are you gonna call me a racist and say "I only hear that kinda talk from the North (Damn Yankees)" in the same breath.
For 1,I was being sarcastic.Although,like it or not,that is where the white middle class is headed.
Second of all,Im part Black,Native,French,Irish,Dutch,German,Haitian,Italian,etc,. I was raised by black & white people. I am not racist.
Oh,and Im from LA and Virginia,not the North.
SUPERDELEGATES should be allowed, and encouraged to take all the time they need to make this decision. It’s too crucial for the country.
http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/04/superdelegates-independence-of-vote.html
C'mon ash IF this country was founded on racism? you dont know much about OUR country if you dont know the history, and if i were on welfare you would be even more AFRAID knowing i am takeing the time to watch so many sites like this on my Cphone.just laughing @ people like you who are crying to keep things like they are. change is coming no matter what. and i am gonna sleep real good knowing ya"ll are still focused on the wrong thing RACE. you can hide your feelings behind the fear of liberal policies but the point remains the fact that a black man may be the commander and chief will destroy what you really belive in white supremacy.it is time for ya"ll to stop stealing and give back to the people, or maybe you need to get in line, i hear its hard in those trailer parks.
I'm just lucky if I can see the first black President in American history.
The voters for Obama are making history, and a change that America needs to bring all of us to together.
I'm tired of the race hate, and ignorance. It's time to rebuild America, and continue to tear down the race discrimination in jobs, loans, housing, schools, and other things.
I hope Obama makes laws for cultrual awareness in schools to educate ignorant racist people like "gtevi".
"gtevi", many White people have voted for Obama, what do you think about them? Are they racist people too.
PASTOR WRIGHT SPEAKS THE TRUTH
PASTOR WRIGHT SPEAKS THE TRUTH
IF YOU IDIOTS WANT TO DENOUNCE OBAMA BECAUSE HE ATTENDED PASTOR WRIGHT'S CHUCH, THEN YOU ALL HAVE BEEN FOOLED BY THE PRIVELEDGED WHO CREATE THESE TYPES OF DIVISIONS IN ORDER FOR THEM TO MAINTAIN POWER.
PASTOR WRIGHT SPEAKS THE TRUTH
PASTOR WRIGHT SPEAKS THE TRUTH
PASTOR WRIGHT SPEAKS THE TRUTH
DIVIDE AND CONQUER
DIVIDE AND CONQUER
DIVIDE AND CONQUER
PASTOR WRIGHT SPOKE AGAINST GOVERNMENT EVIL, NOT AMERICANS.
PASTOR WRIGHTS SPOKE AGAINST THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT, NOT AMERICANS.
PASTOR WRIGHT SPOKE AGAINST THE SAME GOVERNMENT THAT LIED TO US IN ORDER TO INVADE THE MIDDLE EAST.
EXCERCIZE YOUR FREEDOM TO THINK INDEPENDENTLY AND REALLY LISTEN TO WHAT HE HAS TO SAY, INSTEAD OF COMPLETELY REJECTING IT, SINCE THAT'S WHAT THE RULING CLASS WANTS YOU TO DO.
PASTOR WRIGHT SPOKE THE TRUTH.
PASTOR WRIGHT SPOKE THE TRUTH.
THE MEDIA IS NOT YOUR FRIEND.
THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT YOUR FRIEND.
THE GOVERNMENT WANTS TO KEEP US DIVIDED.
THE GOVERNMENT TARGET WHITE, WORKING CLASS AMERICANS WHO ARE MORE LIKELY TO DISMISS OBAMA BECAUSE WE MUST REMAIN DIVIDED IN ORDER FROM THE TO CONTROL.
Carolyne O'reilly--- I went to a catholic school for 3 years. I am NOT a pedophile. Just because you go to a catholic school or church doesn't mean your a pedophile!!! There are hundreds of pedophiles that never set foot inside a church! How would I know? I fucking met one when I was 12. Trust me, he didn't go to church. Get your fucking head out of your butt.
The Republican National Committee should have a bronze statue of Hillary Clinton at its headquarters. She gave them both Senate and House in 1994, buried healthcare as an issue for 15 yrs, and will soon give McCain the presidency.
DIVIDE AND CONQUER IS THEIR STRATEGY...
WORKING CLASS PEOPLE HAVE EVERYTHING IN COMMON, REGARDLESS OF RACE
THE ECONOMY IS AFFECTING ALL OF US
THE MASSIVE SPENDING IS AFFECTING ALL AMERICANS REGARDLESS OF RACE
THE SENSELESS WARS ARE AFFECTING ALL AMERICANS REGARDLESS OF RACE
WE WILL ALL SUFFER IF WE DON'T REMAIN FOCUSED
STOP ACCEPTING THE ROLE AS A FOOL
THIS WHOLE PROCESS IS BIGGER THAN PASTOR WRIGHT
PASTOR WRIGHT IS WELL OFF
PASTOR WRIGHT IS NOT AFFECTED BY THIS
THE AVERAGE AMERICAN IS AFFECTED BY OUR WRECKLESS GOVERNMENT
STOP FOCUSING ON SOME PASTOR WHO'S NOT EVEN RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT
STOP REJECTING THE TRUTH, NO MATTER HOW BITTER IT IS
PASTOR WRIGHT SPOKE THE TRUTH
BUT PASTOR WRIGHT IS NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT
DIVIDE AND CONQUER IS THE OLDEST TRICK IN THE BOOK, SO STOP FEEDING INTO IT
youngdrodeau i applaud you!
Carolyn.Green,
So, Billary did all that????
Wow, I thought it was a combined effort on both houses of Congress and signed by the POTUS.... GWB.
How stupid of me.
And that would be the Clinton Health Care Bill for Children and Mothers?
Shawny, You are not listening. Obama will not represent the black people. He is only using you to get what he wants. He is not an African-American...he is an African-muslim-American. Under Muslim sharia law, which he was born into, the son of a Muslim is a Muslim...no choice about it. If said boy child forsakes his Muslim religion, he is considered an apostate and is subject to the death penalty. Sooooooo, either the Muslim will not deal with him and will kill him at some point in time or they know that he is a "sleeper" for their cause in which case they are all for him. Now which do you think he is? It is one...or the other. No other possibility exists under Muslim law. Either way, I do not think we should take a chance on this unknown. As hard as it will be, I will vote for McCain this fall. I just cannot in good conscience vote for someone whom I think is not a true American.
Franklin- good one
Amanda Green- I agree, I'm a democrat but if Hillary doesn't get it, I will vote for McCain
There is a lack of intelligence, common sense and an awful lot of racism being expressed. How can anyone with an ounce of intelligence believe Hillary stands a better chance than Obama of defeating McCain when she can't even beat Obama. Trust me, there are no advantages in being stupid.
It's really telling when someone starts their comments off with a disqualifier like I AM NOT A RACIST. Then they invent excuses for not voting for Obama, like (1)his ALLEDGED drug use, or (2)his ALLEDGED muslim connection, or (3)his pasters ALLEDGED anti American comments or (4)his ALLEDGED lack of experience. Let's look at the legitimacy of these ALLEDGED concerns.
(1)If any of these allegations were true, the media would have reported it by now. But why wasn't this an issue when GW Bush was running for president. His twin daughters were busted for using drugs and Barbara Bush, his mother and former 1st lady, said that her sons past was coming back to haunt him. He had already admitted to using drugs and he is also known to have a drinking problem.
(2)Obama has attended the same church for the last 20yrs and no one claimed any muslim connection. It wasn't an issue when he ran for the senate, only when he decides to run for president. Why aren't any of you concerned about the relationship GW Bush and his family had with Bin Laden and his family. After all, it was Bush that provided protection and transportation for Bin Lagen's family after 911.
(3)Jerry Falwell said America had 9/11 coming because we tolerated gays, feminist and liberals. It was our fault. Our chickens had come home to roost. John McCain proudly received his support and even spoke at his university's commencement. Rev. John Hagee called the Catholic Church the "Great Whore". He said that the Anti-Christ will rise out of the European Union(and of course he will be Jewish). He also said all Muslims are trained to kill and will be part of the devil's army when Armageddon comes, which he hopes is soon. John McCain continues to say he is proud of Rev Hagee's endorsement. And last, but not least, the Clintons pastor has recently been sentenced to 3yrs in prison for perjury and child molestation.
(4)Hillary has one term of experience as the senator of one of this country's largest states. Yet, Obama has sponsored and/or co-sponsored more than 5 times more legislation than Hillary in one third the time. I'm sorry, but taking 3 times longer to do 5 times less isn't my idea of being more experienced.
COME ON OUT OF THE CLOSET PEOPLE AND FESS UP TO THE REAL REASON YOU AREN'T VOTING FOR OBAMA.
ANYBODY, AND I MEAN ANYBODY, THAT VOTES REPUBLICAN FOR ANY REASON SHOULD BE LABELED A TRAITOR. WHY DO YOU THINK MCCAIN AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WANT TO CONTINUE THESE WARS, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE CREATING AMERICA'S ECONOMIC, SOCIAL AND POLITICAL INSTABILITY? WHY DO YOU THINK THE REPUBLICANS ARE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT IRAQ'S SOCIAL, POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC STABILITY THAN OURS? MO MONEY! MO MONEY! MO MONEY!
BUSH, MCCAIN, CHANEY AND THEIR FELLOW REPUBLICAN FRIENDS AND FAMILY ARE GETTING FILTHY RICH OFF THIS WAR. ANYONE THAT SUPPORTS THEIR EFFORTS BY VOTING REPUBLICAN IS SACRIFICING THE LIVES OF AMERICAN SOLDIERS AND THIS COUNTRY'S FUTURE. THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED BY A RACIST MENTALITY AND IT WILL BE DOOMED BY THAT SAME RACIST MENTALITY.
youngdrodeau
"How in the fuck are you gonna call me a racist and say "I only hear that kinda talk from the North (Damn Yankees)" in the same breath."
First, I never used the term "(Damn Yankees" you did. And, at worst that would make me a scetionalist, not a racisit as not everyone in the North is only one color.
You are so stupid.
"Oh,and Im from LA and Virginia,not the North."
Ah.... If youy many Louisiana, and specifically Nawlins. then you are one of the dumbest people in the USA. I am from NC and we know to evacuate when a Cat 5 comes. ..... This explains a lot.
If yu mean, Los Angeles, well..... it also explains why you are out there.
McCain/Rice? Who are you kidding? The woman who could have stopped 9/11 if she hadn't been afraid to bother the boss?
Amanda Green MUST BE A LIFETIME MEMBER OF THE AMERICAN ANTI-INTELLECTUALISM MOVEMENT.
OBAMA IS A CHRISTIAN.
HE MARRIED INTO A CHRISTIAN CHURCH.
HIS CHILDREN WERE BAPTISED INTO A CHRISTIAN CHURHC.
HE'S A CHRISTIAN.
I CAN'T BELIEVE AFTER ALL THIS HOOPLA ABOUT HIS BRUTUALLY HONEST PASTOR, PEOPLE ARE STILL CLAIMING IS HE'S MUSLIM
AMANDA GREEN IS A VICTIM OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM
AND EVEN IF HE WAS A MUSLIM?
ISLAM IS NOT A DISEASE
AGAIN, DIVIDE AND CONQUER
BUSH'S BEST FRIEND IS THE KING OF SAUDI ARABIA
THE RICH DON'T FIGHT ABOUT RELIGION, SKIN COLOR, ECT. THEY JUST USE THAT TOOL TO DIVIDE THE DUMB, WORKING IDIOTS LIKE AMANDA GREEN
DIVIDE AND CONQUER IS WHAT YOU ARE FEEDING INTO...
THE ISSUES: THE ECONOMY THE OCCUPATION OF IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN A POSSIBLE WAR WITH IRAN TAXES GAS PRICES FORECLOSURES FOOD PRICES
THESE ARE THE ISSUES WE NEED TO BE FOCUSING ON.
WAKE UP, AMERICANS!
STOP ALLOWING 'THEM' TO DISTRACT US.
OUR JOBS ARE LEAVING AS WE SPEAK! BUT AMANDA IS FOCUSED ON OBAMA'S RELIGION!
OC Mama you dare to call Michelle Obama ugly. You on this board who say that blacks voted for Obama are racist.. but yet history has revealed that ALL of our presidents have been white.. voted for by white people. When whites votes for whites it's called choice. When blacks votes for blacks it's called racism. LOL. Funny how those who started racism are quick to call those WHO are NOT in a position to exercise racism "racists. Making references to Michelle's skin color as "too dark" is racist. Dark skin is beautiful.. why else do so many white women pour sun tan oil trying to get darker. Why do they describe their ideal man as "tall, dark and handsome". All skin color is beautiful. How would you like it if we said your skin was too white, your lips were too thin. Thin lips are ugly and full lips are sensual. Look at how many white actresses rush to get collagen pumped into their lips. McCain's wife is not attractive. She looks like an over radiated Barbie doll.
Wow, there are a lot of stupid people in this world. 1) How in the HELL did this country get founded on racism? We founded this country to get away from Britian!! 2) Slavery ended a long time ago, GET OVER IT! Everyone is equal now. Be a man/woman and stop whining about how you're sooooo mistreated. This is the freaking 21st century. Go to school and get a job. 3) Everyone is human, therefore everyone is going to have their 'qualifications' for a president and their reasons. Whats all the fuss about? I mean, just freakin' vote for who you like and move on!
Jane,
"The woman who could have stopped 9/11 if she hadn't been afraid to bother the boss?"
What? Exactly how cpould that have happened? And, if it were so, do you think a Democrat Controlled Senate would have confirmed her as Sec. of St.?
Source and proof?
The fact is that the Klinton Admin forbade the FBI and CIA from sharing information. That was the problem.
OK! Here's how it's going to turn out in Nov 08.McCain will win hands down. If you people think that the campaign between the the Demo's is rough, you haven't seen anything yet. Obama is a nothing more than a talking head who thinks that we can all just "get along" and his ego is equal to Clinton's. Bottom line, you will NOT see a Black President for many years to come. Wake up people!!! The Republicans want Obama to win the nomination because beating him will be like taking candy from a baby. They are going to tear him to shreads and he will lose big. You cannot tell people that I am the one to change Washington or the world for that matter when you have no political experience. His whole act is nothing more than letting air out of a balloon. When all the air is expelled, there's nothing left but the balloon, flat and useless. People can talk all the political correctness they want in public, but when they step into the booth and close the curtain, the true person is revealed. I for one have ALWAYS VOTED DEMOCRATIC for many years, but if this snake oil salesman is the best choice to offer, look forward to another 4 years with a Republican president. If Hillary doesn't get the nomination because she is the best chance we have to win, then all the Obomabots will be crying come election day because he will never be elected. Don't forget one thing, when you are given the nomination and lose the election, put a fork in that candidate because he /she will NEVER have that chance again. So, say good by to Willie Wonka and his dream campaign.
Ok I have read all the comments hier put it simple everybody is saying what was said months ago but Mrs.Clinton and MR. Obama both say it is not about Race? What ist it about then?? Bill Cliton runs around runnig his mouth off against Obama and we all remember what happened when he was our pres. almost got thrown out..As for MRS. Clinton,Hat to Duck and run to the cars because of sniper fire, people I was there and there was no gun fire an no snipers( oh there were snipers about 100 to 150 miles away from whre Hillary was )Who is best for the job let us wait until the convention see who gets it and then vote ..Oe thing I Know is taht is a job I DO OT WANT..
Another thing Hillary is talking TAX GAS HOLLIDAY hey peoble she is saying that what you want to here, But in Waschington in the House she talks around it and then vote aginst it..Just like her vote for the Iraq war she was all for it ,no she says get out now.. Where as Obama was agints it from the begining and voted so also..
One more thing being a solider I go there were I am told to go from the top brass..It does not matter who becomes Pres. Who ever it is become the commander in cheif an we soliders should obey the orders that come from Him or Her..
Let us wait and see who gets the vote at the convention..
Right on Ken Strickland!Dave you are throwing rocks with evac thing you know what happened.
facethetruth,
100% POTUS were voted for by White/Black/Hispanic voters because only white men were running. There was no other choice - Res Ipso Loquitor
There are three types of liars:
Liars Damn Liars Those who use statistics ---- you.
It's sad that many white American Democrats would rather vote for McCain than to support Obama if he wins the nomination. It shows how RACISM - no matter how the vast majority of you don't want to admit it - runs deep in your bloods.
It doesn't matter if your town is ghost because all the jobs have been shipped out to foreign countries, thanks to the Clintons.
It doesn't matter that Hillary wants to start a war with Iran.
It doesn't matter that the Clintons take money for foreign governments to promote anti-American trade deals.
It doesn't matter if 'for sale' signs sits on every lawn on the block.
It doesn't matter if 80,000 jobs were lost in the month of March.
It doesn't matter if McCain wants to continue the occupation of the Middle East.
Some of you would rather risk LOSING AMERICA than to vote for a man of dark complexion.
Hooray for Americans! You folks make me proud to be an American! Keep it up!
As a Black person, I do not see Barack as just Black. He came from the womb of a White woman and he was raised in many different environments- none of them Black, so he is neither biologically nor culturally "All Black". Furthermore, I believe the idea of someone being Black based on this percentage or that percentage of blood was a White construction and one that most Black people do not subscribe to. So while White folks may see Barack as just "Black", I believe most Black folks don't. (Dis)agree?
Additionally, I believe the truth to be that most Americans do not have the time or desire to devote as much time to politics as would be necessary to be truly educated voters, and most people probably do end up voting based on things other than policy. It's no accident that, usually, the tallest candidate/the candidate with the most hair/ the youngest candidate etc. wins.
In closing I would like to say that I have just never understood the fascination with race. My rent is high, my job doesn't pay enough, I have kids to raise, I have my health to think about, I try to find time for leisure activities, gas prices are crazy, I'm busting my rear trying to complete my degree and I could go on and on. With so many more pressing issues to contend with on a daily basis, how does anyone have time to be worrying about race?
Hugs and kisses to everyone!
E.D. Hamilton,
Huh?
"Dave you are throwing rocks with evac thing you know what happened."
Surely OC Mama was being sarcastic with her comments. I don't believe anyone would criticize another human being for their looks. I, too, wanted to criticize OC for her comments about Michelle Obama's appearance. But I really think she was not being serious, but an attempt at being sarcastic. However, my criticism of B.O. is another subject. He is a fake...and all of the blacks that cannot see that are being duped. He does not have your well-being at heart. He just wants the adulation and glory. This is all about his ego. I would recognize that McCain and Clinton have their faults also, but we know what they are. We do not know this arrogant elitist man who wants "change". Not saying what kind of change...just change. I don't think any of us will be happy with the kind of change that him and his henchman bring to the white house. He may not be a sleeper muslim, or he may be, but can we take a chance on it. Just because he attended a Christian Church, does not make him a Christian. I am still suspicious of how George Bush used the religious right to gain his office and then pretty much laughed at them.
nadoop- I am not racist just because I don't want to vote for obama. i actually had a black boyfriend. I want to vote for hillary because I am a woman and I like a woman president and she listens to women. I also hate closed minded people that aren't open to suggestions(even if they don't agree with them, just listening is enough) and think that if someone doesn't agree with them then their with the devil or with the 'anti-intellience whatever'
amanda- i agree
McCain 2008, you need to adjust your sarcasm detector.
Glenn:
You are dead wrong! If the Repubilcans wanted Obama to become president, they would not be targeting him like they are. Watch Fox News and see how they love Hillary while loathing Obama. Obama is better against McCain than Hillary is.
Obama is almost squeaky clean, while Hillary has a lot of baggage.
The Republicans want Hillary to win, not Obama.
The Republicans will use Bill Clinton's scandal stuff against Hillary
The Republicans will use NAFTA against Hillary
The Republicans will use the Mark Penn incident against Hillary
Also, if Hillary wins, many black voters will be so outraged, which will definately give McCain a better chance at the White House.
At this point, Hillary is the weaker candidate, and that's why they want Hillary.
Don't you see what is happening here. The Republicans have crossed over and voted for Obama because they think McCain can beat him. Comes the general election they will cross back over and vote for McCain. There was a man on the local news in Indiana that admitted it. Do the math and see how many Republicans voted Democratic Tuesday. Wake up people.
Ashley:
I never responded to you, but if the shoe fits.
BTW: I'm not black.
Nadoop- i never said you were
wow, what a waste of time to be reading up on the primary's the past year.
All I had to do was read this post.
I could of saved like at least 60 hours
Beyoung
One small point: Douthat says that if the Democrats' electoral system were designed differently, Clinton might be in the lead. This is a canard that needs to be done away with. It's true that if you take the results of this year's primaries and caucuses, and apply a winner-takes-all math to them, Clinton gets more hypothetical delegates than Obama does. But there's a big flaw in this logic. Each campaign was waged under the rules that exist now. If the rules had been different, the campaigns would have allocated resources differently, and the results might well have been different.
Saying Clinton would be ahead if the rules were different is like a losing football team saying "Well, we'd be ahead if field goals counted the same as touchdowns." That might appear to be so, but if field goals counted the same as touchdowns both teams would have trained differently. You can't change the rules in the last quarter just because you're losing the game.
TO: James
Re: Rice
Do You consider The Washington Post to be a good source?
It was good enough for Watergate.
See the Washington Post online. October 1, 2006, Page A17 TWO MONTHS BEFORE 9/11, AN URGENT WARNING TO RICE
Jane
ASHLEY:
You must have fell asleep during history class.
America WAS founded on racism. Racism built this country, you dolt. Slaves worked in this country for HUNDREDS of years - which paved the way for the Industrial Revolution.
If slavery is part of the black legacy, then must blacks get over it?
How about we get over the "founding fathers"?
Should Irish Americans get over their history? Italiam Americans? Jews? Natives?
You're delusional to think that people in this country are 'equal'.
Nadroop, You say B.O. is almost squeaky clean. You are living in a dream world. He appears clean because the media has given him a free ride. Wait until the repubs get through with him, you are going to hear some really evil things. Let us spend several million dollars examining his background and then we can say he is squeaky clean. Until then...just hide and watch there is some real dirt about to come out on him as soon as he gets the nomination. Go back and read my earlier posts. Riding around in a limousine, smoking crack and having gay sex while he was a member of the Illinois Senate and a married man with a pregnant wife. Then his gay lover, Choirmaster at his church, turns up dead at Christmas time, possibly because he was getting ready to spill the beans. Then tell me squeaky clean. That is exactly the image he is working very hard to promote. But like the rest of Barack Obama it is a fake image.
As a black woman I think that Obama's race is a strength not a weakness. In fact it offends me when people "even he" refers to himself as a "black man"(Although talking to some of my mixed friends I understand why)(usually they refer to how they are labled) I think that he does have the ablity to bring people together because he holds within himself both races and he is the first person ever to run that can say they understand "BOTH" sides. I loved Hillary and had no problem voting for her until she got caught in a lie and gave the politically correct term "I miss spoke" and then tried to dog Obama for his bitter comments when he gave her the benefit of the doubt about her's (I really hate being lied to but I hate it even more when you blow it off like it was no big deal). "THAT WAS A TURN OFF TO ME" that and it seemed to be less about the people and more about her own political gain. So yes I then chose to vote for the other guy who just so happened to be 1/2 black. I will admitt I don't like Rev. Wright either but I don't think it's right to hold Obama accountable for what he said (In my church we are taught that we will be judged by Our Own works and that we have to give and account for ourself). I do though think it must be said that Obama is somewhat nieve when it comes to people. (But I will also make the point that they have three services on Sundays at this church and it is a real possiblity that he had said somethings that Obama didn't hear depending on what service he was at, as the pastors don't usually preach the same sermon because some faithful members attend all of them.) I do fear action and reaction though and I think that putting the races against each other will cause a potentially dangerous reaction, that is what I fear more then anything. Race is a real soft spot in this country and people are walking on egg shells now, you can feel the tension in the air. This country black and white is hurting and unless we come together we will fall apart and I'm not just talking about the election. Not all black people are voting for him because he is black and the same goes for white people voting for her because she is white. (I do think that older people don't like the idea of change very well though.) A house(country) divided against itself can't stand. We, the people in this country can bring about real change if we work together.
ashley, "We founded this country to get away from Britian"?!?! you escaped and had to fight. there was somebody here b4 you. you brung others to labor 4 what you took. presently there is a power shift from those who took too those who are here. one way or another something is gonna give. dont skip all the history and just take the parts you benefit from. we all need change but this time it will not be decided based upon the white for a white vote. oh yeah even in the freaking 21st century we are stilled marred by racism by those who are and those that say they are not. dont you be stupid to.
I hate to say it...but I don't think Obama can beat Mccain,He is not going to win the swing states.We have at least another 4 years of Bush.
I'm registered as independent voter. I wonder if Obama would have already reached 2025 if Republican attempts to undermine the Democrat's primary process (by switching parties to vote for Hillary, as suggested by Limbaugh)? Limbaugh and other's strategy being that Republican's vote Hillary to help to put the weakest Democrat candidate up against McCain----because there is no way that Obama comes close to losing to McCain. To have our country's election process vulnerable and exposed to such a blatantly unethical practice MUST be investigated and corrected.
Thanks to Ken Strickland for putting some damn reason into this forum - sentences like
"I just cannot in good conscience vote for someone whom I think is not a true American"
is exactly the kind of ignorant nonsense that only furthers my opinion that there should be some kind of common sense test administered to people before they are allowed to vote.
I will not vote Clinton because I am not impressed with the way she has conducted herself thus far. She decided that wining meant more to her then decency - and I'm sorry, this is not the trademark of a good leader, but someone hungry for power.
Obama could have fired back a lot more mud then he has, but has chosen not to.
Skin color has nothing to do with a person's ability to lead, and the sooner this country understands that, the better off we'll be.
I am not white or black but when I listen to the Clintons and Obama, I have to say that Obama is more racist. I don't see how Bill comments can be consider racist at all. Black will always vote for their own people no matter what Bill or Hillary said. Come November, my vote will be for McCain because I just think Obama will divide the country between black and white. I don't like McCain but I dislike Obama more.
Dave, Huh?! you know what dont you think that was a low blow to the people who actually could not leave during Katrina, throwing rocks means your playing dirty. " I am from NC and we know to evacuate when a Cat 5 comes". if it would have happened there everyone would be just as devastated thats all i am saying.
James, I find it difficult to believe that someone who is both white and black is going to be more divisive. And... which "side" are you suggesting he is racist toward? What is your rationale?
There are three wars that we're currently in. Afganistan, Iraq, and inside the democratic party. The democrats seem to have planned for the worse case, whose in charge over there? Why you would have two candidates who are way beyond the norm-- ie. a woman, and an african american in the same race together-- is beyond me. Why don't we try one at a time? Now they're in competition and trying to destroy each other, --although Hillary is trying harder than Barack. Talk about setting the party back a few decades! This bickering shows off the worst sides of the candidates-- Hillary won't give up even though it's painfully obvious that she's lost ( what does this say about her presidency? ), and the liberal media trouncing Barack for everything and anything, ( why not talk about his support from Harvard Law? ) Dems-- time to take stock and rally behind a candidate before it's too late!
One more thing - stop whipping out this "elitist" card on Obama. EVERYONE who runs for political office is an elitist. Period. It's the way the system works.
go! go! go! Obama. "Wewe ni wetu!!"
Dave
Your very talking proves my point. You obviously have already been hit by the WHITE TRASH EPIDEMIC.
Ashley
Were you being sarcastic?
To everyone with an objection to my prediction,
Am I wrong?
Let's see where gtrevi is so wrong, but entitled to an opinion, even if it's shallow! Bill Clinton won the White House w/ 90% of the African American vote, Hillary has been quoted, on SDouthern Democrtats "screw them - they haven't done anything for you & you don't owe them anything. What IS happening is not only is there a huge turnout for Obama bt black voters, there's young votrers, a lot of whites representative of all demographics (as in Iowa & Wyoming)and other areas that clearly are supportive of a new approach to getting things done in Washington, beginning w/ sending McCain into retirement, rather than let him continue w/ Bush-like policies!! Bnjphnx
This was pretty interesting at first but now I'm bored.
This is the truth as I see it.
White people in general won't vote for a black person because he/she will have a huge special interest group (all of the rest of the black people in this country.) If a black person is voted into the Oval Office, white people will be blamed/held accountable for all the prejudice and imagined prejudice experienced by black people since the first slave sold by his chief in Africa arrived on an American shore. All that anger, malice, lust for revenge would not bode well for a united America. I can see it now -- 10% of every white paycheck to make restitution for what great-great-Daddy MIGHT have done.
Oh, yeah, as a white woman from way, way down south, I am a racist as far as not wanting to be ruled by black people with chips the size of yellow pine trees on their shoulders.
Nadoop, Its good to see at least one person has his eyes open. Wake up you blind fools, it no longer matters who or what party they come from. They are all from the same cut, not a one truely talks about what is need'd for a country that is on the verge of economic destruction. Im amazed how this populas has submitted so much so called power to one elected person. Have you noobs not learned anything the issues this country faces here at home and in its world position does not depend on one elected person or a party it is up to all americans to do something. If you truely believe any of these people or thier parties can bring the changes nee'd your foold ...for these are the very groups that got us into the crap we are in. The system of election is now based on millions of dollars. How sad the american public no longer holds these public servents acountable. I'll give you a true radical change ..the only way to get change is to change the broken structure. Instead people continue to vote every 4 years thinking some sort of change is going to happen. WAKE UP! Get a clue. What would truely wake these rich power hungery people up. Is DO NOT VOTE. If americans truely want change they themselves will have to take back goverment. voting lib or ind to AKA "send a message that we want change" screw a message that falls on a broken systenm and truely bring about a change by boycotting the vote demand the people truely be heard and be represented. Until this countries people relize they have the power in the costitution to take back what has been taken away and stand up to make the changes they themselves claim they want we will continue to be caught in the revolving 4 year door of smoke and mirriors. Yes what say here is radical but it is this very idealism and passion that this country was originaly found'd upon. When a people have given themselves up to another group to take care of thier needs they are either subordinates or slaves. The truth is we are to elect these people to represent us be honest with yourselves do you truley believe where millions of dollars are spent to promote these people they realy care about what is happening in this country today. People are starving losing jobs and homes and record rates WAKE UP AMERICA!
If this were a dog show with two of the three finalists in a dog fight, guess which is going be the most likely winner, the one with the least involvement or wounds. Hilary v. Obama is making McCain look like a saint, exactly as the republicans want, they're probably snickering as we speak. America was not founded it was ethnically cleansed of it's native people, and repopulated by rejects ejected out of their home countries based on fanaticism and criminality. Then came slavery, and then immigrants.
If 80%of america wasn't stupid or ignorant or both Bush would not have been in that office a second time. Proud new American.
Lion to lamb. The young generation of whites brain-washed by the shameless media are ready to shoot themselves in the head (not foot). I am Indian like Viktor but not brain-washed. I am not a racist but a realist.He is a Huissein,inexperienced and far less intelligent than Hillary (beat her in most debates)yet some whites can't wait to disgrace themselves. His pastor is anti-white,anti-american and an islamophile pseudo-christian who praises Louis Farrhakhan as a hero. Obama was mentored by him for 20+ years and definitely shares his views but now condemns Jeremiah.Oh ya condemning him now after 20 years of kinship! Even his pastor says he now will do anything to become President. When the shameless media alleges that Hillary would do anything to win what do you think Obama is doing?The once glorious people of european descent who ruled most of the settled world are now spineless. Discrimination is terrible but that does not mean that you have to choose your King from a minority group rejecting more qualified candidates from your own. This misplaced sympathy may be suicidal. Even the slightest chance that Obama and Osama may have some connection should be a turn-off but the so-called educated and young whites are blinded mainly because of media propaganda. Please wake up before its too late.
After reading all of these postings above I believe that everyone that has posted on this forum is a racist to some extent. Everyone lighten up and seek therapy if needed. All of you take yourselves too seriously. Get a life! What a bunch of losers!
E.D. Hamilton,
"..... low blow to the people who actually could not leave during Katrina, throwing rocks means your playing dirty."
Fact: A year before Katrina, Nawlins had a mock exercise. Everything was planned.
Fact: One of those plans was to use 1000 school buses to evacuate the people. At an average of 50 people per bus, that was 50,000 people.
Fact: The (Democrat) mayor decidedc not to use the buses or order an evacaution.
Fact: Over 1000 people died.
Fact: The (Republican) Mayor of Houston ordered an evacuation and used all public tr4ansportation.
Fact: 27 People died in one bus accident.
Fact: The POTUS cannot intervene in the affairs of a state unless either asked by the Governort or invasion by a foreign force.
Fact: The (Democrat) Governor of Louisiana asked Bush to wait three days so that they (LA officials) could assess what, where and how much aid was needed.
Fact: The liberal press was all over GWB for need sending aid immediately.... they never mentioned the Governor's request.
Fact: Mississippi was damaged much more than Lousiana.
Fact: When a Cat 5 heads toward NC, we are smart enough to leave.
Bush did nothing wrong.... but the Mayor and Governor got re-elected!!! How stupid are the democrats?
Everyone's a little bit racist, it's true.
But everyone is just about as racist as you.
If we all could just admit
That we are racist, a little bit,
And everyone stopped being so PC,
Maybe we could live in...
Harmony!
(from "Avenue Q")
As a Zambian, following the democrats nomination campaign has been at times intriguing. It has clearly portrayed the greatness of America as a democratic State. Sen. Obama has for the most been the convincing leader. Sen. Clinton the fighter. My concern at this point is, why is she fighting so hard even when the writing on the wall is clear and simple for all to see. if this be the case and assume that she finally won, what will anyone think of the democratic party? I beleive many may feel 'cheated', if not robed. The party will suffer for it. If Obama wins, who will legitimately complain? I believe it is time Mrs Clinton thot more about party interest and not her own belief. facts don't lie!
that's a disgusting little diddy but has a point, just vote what u want. it may not count since this is capitalistic hypocracy not a democracy. All this is like reading the bible to an ass btw u don't have to rhyme to be a poet
Mr Zambian. What a comment? Of course you would love to see your Kenyan brother win the Presidency of the most powerful country on this planet. 90% of blacks are voting for Obama. Oprah is backing her black brother and not the first woman.Shame on her for being meanly racist after she was placed on a pedestal by America (largely white).If whites can't see this they are blinded.It reminds me of a Sanskrit saying "when your end is near even your wit turns against you". Farrhakhan and his likes are laughing.
Hillary needs to drop out .She will not win at this point .
Thank you Hillary for destroying the traitorous democratic party!
OK, after sitting here and watching y'all(proud North Carolinian/ future Canadian) go back and forth.........where have you all been the last 8 years. Bush has managed to totally screw up everything. Sent our wives/sons/daughters/etc. into a country looking for WMD's........so far, we haven't so much as found a can of Raid. Look at what you go through in the airports for a routine DOMESTIC flight, god forbid if you are coming into the country. Everytime you go to the pump, it's more of YOU, the American people, paying for 1 individuals bad decisions and ultimate denial in the State of The Union. And then John McCain comes along and says he's gonna pick up where Georgie-boy left off........he couldn't win a general election now, due to the aforementioned reason and he willingly made the statement that he knew NOTHING of the economy, if he ran unopposed....GWB has screwed the Republican Party for @ least 12 years.
So, with that being said, here we are having to choose who our next Democrat prez is gonna be. I'd rather chew off my own foot before my name will ever show up as a registered Dem. Hillary's 3AM commercials are absolutely laughable....apparently when she was in Bosnia, she forgot what went on in broad daylight, so you can imagine what the 3AM call would be like....she'd push the button and forget she did it. Barack, nice fellow, clean cut.....sure he has his faults.........for me the issue is clear,
4 more years of Bushy goodness via proxy, 4 more years of NAFTA and the possibility that she'll sleep with a fat intern or 4 years of someone who's biggest problem so far is his loudmouth pastor??(and that his wife looks like a unevolved Predator)sorry, can't get the image out of my head
I'll let y'all decide cause for me, I'm writing in my own name!........if anyone would like to join in my grassroots campaign, I'm running on the Why the Hell Not platform cause I'm sure me, myself can be any worse than what we've already got, or the possibility of what's comin in.
i'm a woman, i don't think hilary is a woman
People, dont take the comments made about clinton,obama,and mccain too personal. most of our presidents are puppets representing higher powers that be. red team blue team doesnt matter, they all have one purpose.To bring this country to the long awaited new world order.Believe it or not its been plan for over 200 years and its almost complete. these people of power dont care about your skin color they want your soul. while you sit hear and fuss about race they are quietly moving on with their agendas republicans and democrats together as one. their motto is devide the people and concure them. wake up,prophecy is being fulfilled
This is racial. Look at the African American vote in N. Carolina. They would vote for Snoop Dog if he were running. This is antil-white racism.
Posted by gtrevi | May 7, 2008 11:53 AM